So that play determined the game? Cmon. We had so many chances to play better, coach better. Focusing on one play Oregon did that literally didn’t do much of anything isn’t the route to take here.
This argument never makes any sense when someone uses it. Just reverse what you said. Oregon had so many chances to win shouldn’t have needed to do something unsportsmanlike to win.
I get where you're coming from but I actually feel great about it. Not to say we wouldn't have won had they not did that but it definitely taints their victory.
This is true, but if they are running an extra safety on the field for their twelfth person, there is a significantly lower chance of an explosive play. Most savvy coaches will trade five yards for five seconds at the end of the game.
I don't think the rule states that the play can't continue, just that the penalty will include yardage and time in favor of the offense. I'm believe if it would be more advantageous based on the play the offense can decline the penalty.
I don't have an issue with Lanning using the rule to his advantage, even though I'm not really a fan of him. This new rule should have been the rule from the get-go, which I think is what the NFL rule is.
Didn't Akron, Western Michigan, Marshall, and Michigan State all use the late substitution rule to keep the clock running? If the offense makes a substitution, the defense has the opportunity to do the same. It sure seemed to me they were all abusing that rule too.
Correct in terms of timing to make the change if they choose to. What they have done is something they can do in season but to actually change the type of penalty involved has to wait for the off-season and be done through the rules committee
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
This is just the same result but the coach has an option to take the time off the clock if the offensive team has the lead and is trying to run the clock down.
The loophole keeps it the same as it is now, though. I don't think it should matter if the player is trying to run off the field or not. What if he is "trying to run off the field" from the far sideline and ends up in the middle of the play. It would be better to just remove that subjectivity completely and say the play doesn't count at all. Maybe they will adopt the NFL rule in the offseason, but it seems weird that they can't go all the way now since they are changing it.
Reading through the rule book, and this clarification, I'm fairly positive that the officials had everything they needed to flag Oregon for unsportsmanlike conduct and reset the clock to 10 seconds.
Hard to see and prove intent live in the game. Obviously that would be another solution is to allow replay to assess intent somehow. But this seems cleaner to remove the loophole. If we want to be fickle, Lanning could be disciplined for blatant unsportsmanlike behavior but I think that is a stretch.
They didn't even need to assess intent. Unfair Act. Flag them five yards and use that to reset the clock. It was already in the rule book. Now it's simply been clarified and interpreted.
Proving intent is easy. Once the ball is snapped and there are 12 players participating in the play, flag for 15 yards. If a player is trying to get off the field and is a step or so from getting off, five yard penalty with no time off the clock (dead ball foul).
Kudos to Lanning for knowing the rule and using it to win... having said that, it's kinda crazy that teams have to find "creative" ways to beat Ryan Day. That's soft.
You gotta steal our signs, get our guys ejected for targeting, knock out players out while avoiding targeting, or find rule loopholes. Is Saban's Bama in the COVID year the only team to legitimately beat us since Day took over?
Still not clear when it becomes "illegal participation". My understanding pre-snap = illegal substitution & 5 yards / post-snap = illegal participation & 15 yards. btw... whomever said 'you can't double everybody', didn't understand this rule as well as Lanning.
There is no illegal participation in the rulebook anymore. You could get called for an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, but I think that would only happen in egregious cases where you know it was done intentionally (guy running off the bench for example)>
So this effectively makes it a dead ball penalty only if the offense chooses for it to be. I’m fine with that instead of saying it always is. Theoretically, an offense could be trying to kill the clock when the D has 12 men on the field, so it makes sense for the offense to have the option to not put the time back.
Me too. If 12 are in formation awaiting the snap, it should be 15 Yards, if a player is running off the field, 5 yards, clock resets unless offense declines and takes result of play.
It is still 11 on 11 on that play with a free down so I see the logic somewhat. No added clock advantage needed in theory, but I think taking subjectivity out of it would be better. What if the QB notices they had 12 guys with 10 seconds left, thinks he can use whatever time he wants etc.
That's how I read it too. Take that sentence out and make it across the board. The refs have enough that is subjective for them (targeting, football move after a catch).
Sounds like Oregon's staff is well versed in the NCAA bylaw playbook. Anyone playing them down the stretch, especially if they make the playoff should be careful.
Of course, the overwhelming reaction to this is that Ohio State cried about it and the NCAA bowed down to them and changed the rule.
In this case, Lanning took advantage of a flaw in the rule and used it to his advantage. Smart, but also a bit cheap. However, once again, somehow Ohio State is getting blamed for other teams doing shady stuff against them. It's truly "Ohio Against the World", isn't it?
You are upset that twitter trolls are saying this? I’m talking about places where actual football discussions take place. We have our own trolls telling Oregon it’s the only reason they won the game.
I'm not truly upset. I just think it seems like a lot of people on social media have the reaction that this is somehow Ohio State's fault, when in actuality, the NCAA is trying to make sure it doesn't happen to anyone else going forward.
Well, can't fly em back out to Eugene and put 10 seconds on the clock. Just win out and beat their ass good in Indy! We might even invite Knowles along.
Bullcrap weak kneed move by Steve Shaw and his minions. Why is this just a five yard penalty. It is an intentional, unfair act yet it has the same weight as an illegal shift or offsides. The penalty should be 15 yards from either the end of the play or the previous spot. It should also be an automatic first down for the offense.
This should apply for the entire game not just the last two minutes, the only thing I agree with is resetting the clock if the foul occurs in the last two minutes of the half. This will lead to an automatic video review to confirm the amount of time on the clock at the previous snap.
Glad to see the NCAA acted swiftly. This is good, although it doesn't salve the pain from OSU's loss. It is important that the NCAA acted now so that teams don't copy the Lanning act during the playoffs.
So the NCAA can act quickly. I'm shocked. I was somewhat conflicted, impressed with Lanning's creativity, but upset he would push the envelope in at a bare minimum, an unsportsmanlike way to gain a clearly deciding edge.
I had said it should be a 10sec add on if the offense is trailing but this is close enough. Free play essentially.
However…the offense has to know it’s a free play to really take advantage. Encroachment is pretty obvious to the QB so he usually knows to take a shot because it’s a free play. This one…not so much unless he counted the defenders ahead of time.
This is basically like the recurring "Big Ten officials apologize for blown call against Ohio State last weekend" statement we always get. I know every fanbase probably thinks this, but good God has there ever been a team that gets more fucked over by shitty officiating/poorly conceived rules than Ohio State? It can't even be close at this point.
Not the first time teams have had 12 men participating on the field. Just have to make sure you spot it - on the field or upstairs in the booth - and point it out quickly to the refs, because the refs sure miss a lot of calls. Not sure the refs would have called the penalty on Oregon had Day not pointed it out to them.
I get it that lanning used a flaw in the rule to his advantage but fuck him. Youre proud of this big dan?? All you oregon fucks out there proud of this? You completely said fuck you to the spirit and intent of sportsmanship and fair play. This was completely unsportsmanlike and should have been penalized as such. This is almost harbaugh 2.0 bullshit. Id be disgusted beyond words if day ever did something like this.
You don't think if Urban had pulled this back in the day, the large majority of Buckeye fans wouldn't be loving it? This is technically within the rules of the game and nowhere near the level of Harbaugh. Is it annoying? Yes. Unsportsmanlike? Not so much.
my guess would be that if an OSU coach pulled this non sense, "Unsportmanlike Conduct' would be the froth of of all the Heather Dinnichs' out there. TBH, it was within the rules, so hat tip to Oregon for figuring it out.
Maybe Lanning thought the law of averages applied. Notre Dame only used 10 players on the last play last year. Oregon used 12 this year. 12+10=22, divided by 2 equals 11.
Two significant rule changes in less than two seasons immediately following from two Buckeye losses, how bizarre. This one is less concerning to me, the rule change is good for the sport and I don't feel like the Buckeyes were somehow 'robbed' of a win in Eugene. They failed to take it. And this is what burns me the most: the inability of post-Urban OSU to get an early KO in the biggest games. The fourth quarter woes and final outcomes say it all.
They should have given the offense the option of resetting the clock that 5 to 7 seconds on any defensive penalty in the last minutes to close all such loopholes. What is to stop the defense from holding the best deep offensive threat? It is only 5 yards and the time comes off.
F it, it’s time to move on. We got exposed thinking we are better than we thought and let it get to our heads. I don’t see how they always beat us when Thibodeaux is out crazy.
We are still more than likely going to win the whole thing it just put a bruise on us. This team is still gelling, and I actually think our o line will come out better, forcing people to step up
If we get the opportunity to play em again, after we get a nice lead we should fake injuries, send the whole defense on the field, allow their d linemen into the backfield where our qb can throw the ball right at their nuts!
If we get the opportunity to play em again, after we get a nice lead we should fake injuries, send the whole defense on the field, allow their d linemen into the backfield where our qb can throw the ball right at their nuts!
If we get the opportunity to play em again, after we get a nice lead we should fake injuries, send the whole defense on the field, allow their d linemen into the backfield where our qb can throw the ball right at their nuts!
If we get the opportunity to play em again, after we get a nice lead we should fake injuries, send the whole defense on the field, allow their d linemen into the backfield where our qb can throw the ball right at their nuts! Then eveeybody hit him!
I heard that the penalty was different if 12 players participated in the play (15 yards) vs if a player was running to get off the field and not participating (5 yards).
Is that correct?
If so, the penalty should have been 15 yards.
The refs blew it.
Our honor defend, we'll fight to the end !
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I know you’re not supposed to whine and complain about the referees but here we now have proof we’re not crazy. It was a total bullshit move that Oregon made, and almost completely unprecedented to change the rule to close this cheating method in season. We got a right to complain. “The Lanning Rule.” Enjoy the eternal infamy, jackass. You and Conor Stallions should start a cheating POS Podcast. The “POS POD.”
Lanning is a punk coach of a spitting, quasi-cheating team. Michigan wanna-be's.
I never thought I'd say this, but compare this classless clown to James Franklin who stopped his team from planting a flag and stating they have respect for USC. That's pretty darn classy of JF.
Dan Lanning will never be a great coach with his bush-league poor sportsmanship. He'll get his, and I'll be happy to see it.
Meh... Lanning is everything thats wrong with America, always looking for a loophole to exploit to get ahead. Just because its legal, or within the rules, doesnt make it ethical/right. All good, karma is a ..... And it will come around to him and Oregon.
“There are scenarios where the defense could potentially gain a clock advantage by having more than 11 players on the field actively participating in a play. This action violates a guiding principle in our football playing rules, that there should be no profit when a team
fouls.”
NCAA to Oregon: You bastards cheated.
"You either get better, or worse, you never stay the same." Woody Hayes
“There are scenarios where the defense could potentially gain a clock advantage by having more than 11 players on the field actively participating in a play. This action violates a guiding principle in our football playing rules, that there should be no profit when a team
fouls.”
NCAA to Oregon: You bastards cheated.
"You either get better, or worse, you never stay the same." Woody Hayes
Now they should let Ohio State attempt a field goal at the spot that Will Howard slid. With the extra 4 seconds, we would have called the time out and the clock would have stopped. If we make the FG, change the score & give us the win! Wishful thinking I know...
Lanning was playing chess and we were playing checkers last 10 seconds. Yes the outcome sucks, but that wasn't the only time we were outcoached, how about the 4th and inches instead of running they run a lil te screen for a huge gainer. Our staff looked like amateur hour last Saturday. No pressure on the qb LJ..... ZERO PRESSURE, guy was ordering tea and crumpets while hucking bombs.
I will pound you and pound you until you quit - Woody Hayes
Running the 12th man on should have been unsportsmanlike or illegal participation. Eff ‘em all. Fix the stuff we need to fix. All the goals remain. Go Bucks!!
What this really says is that Dan Lenning is a scheming little weasel that doesn't have confidence in his team to win the right way, so he will do whatever it takes. (Did he mentor under Hairball?)
Auburn had a coach a few years ago (I forget his name), and made it through the year exploiting a rule. Something about the offensive linemen downfield. The Bama fans hated him.
At least the NCAA didn't let it go on all year, this time.
They should have given the option of resetting the clock on any defensive penalty in the last two minutes that gets marked off from the original line of scrimmage. That takes away a potential gained advantage from things like defensive holding and defensive pass interference which are sometimes committed on purpose to gain an advantage in those last second situations.
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Kinda burns me to change this after the fact. Now no one can use it again Oregon.
It's too **cking late, is what it is.
Feeling cold is psychological. - Woody Hayes
So that play determined the game? Cmon. We had so many chances to play better, coach better. Focusing on one play Oregon did that literally didn’t do much of anything isn’t the route to take here.
Well maybe if there is only 11, they complete a pass and can kick a fg
Well...yes, it very likely did. Do did the other three "mistakes" the officials made in the last 30 seconds.
Yes, it did, actually. Along with a bunch of other plays throughout the game.
This argument never makes any sense when someone uses it. Just reverse what you said. Oregon had so many chances to win shouldn’t have needed to do something unsportsmanlike to win.
Thefirstcaveman
Ha! Let's fly our special teams unit back out their and kick our field goal.
The change should have been made. But and immediate acknowledgement and rule change makes it sting even more.
I get where you're coming from but I actually feel great about it. Not to say we wouldn't have won had they not did that but it definitely taints their victory.
I bleed scarlet...literally
It is not complicated. Make a dead ball foul. . If they realize during the play you whistle dead and then you reset the clock to where it was.
Self crowned Eleven Warriors humble-off champion.
This way does give the offense a no risk free play, an additional incentive for the defense not to do it.
This is true, but if they are running an extra safety on the field for their twelfth person, there is a significantly lower chance of an explosive play. Most savvy coaches will trade five yards for five seconds at the end of the game.
Respectfully,
Larryp713
Oregon did, didn't they?
Except if you happen to have a big play or touchdown, it would be nice to let the play count.
I don't think the rule states that the play can't continue, just that the penalty will include yardage and time in favor of the offense. I'm believe if it would be more advantageous based on the play the offense can decline the penalty.
Ok, thanks for clarifying
I don't have an issue with Lanning using the rule to his advantage, even though I'm not really a fan of him. This new rule should have been the rule from the get-go, which I think is what the NFL rule is.
Va Buck
Didn't Akron, Western Michigan, Marshall, and Michigan State all use the late substitution rule to keep the clock running? If the offense makes a substitution, the defense has the opportunity to do the same. It sure seemed to me they were all abusing that rule too.
What a chickenshit way to play the game Lanning. I'd be embarrassed to admit what you did.
BobnTX
I agree, but Lanning knew the rule and was prepared for the situation. Sucks for us
Day needs to get his stuff together and be prepared. He lacks in that department which is scary
You wouldn’t have had an issue with it if Day did something that was legal.
Let's party, Columbus.
The loophole is dumb. Just make it a dead ball penalty like the NFL.
I think they will and this is only a stop-gap measure until the full rule change can be implemented in the offseason.
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Correct in terms of timing to make the change if they choose to. What they have done is something they can do in season but to actually change the type of penalty involved has to wait for the off-season and be done through the rules committee
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
So let teams cheat the game the rest of the season? Ok
No, the temporary change fixes that issue...
This is just the same result but the coach has an option to take the time off the clock if the offensive team has the lead and is trying to run the clock down.
The loophole keeps it the same as it is now, though. I don't think it should matter if the player is trying to run off the field or not. What if he is "trying to run off the field" from the far sideline and ends up in the middle of the play. It would be better to just remove that subjectivity completely and say the play doesn't count at all. Maybe they will adopt the NFL rule in the offseason, but it seems weird that they can't go all the way now since they are changing it.
Agree with that aspect, it shouldn't have subjectivity. In this case 12 guys participated though.
It specifically states that the 12th man can't influence the play even if running off the field late.
The other thing about the new rule is that it stops the clock even if the clock wasn't previously stopped.
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They can change interpretations in season but not actually alter the rule until the off-season and then the rules committee can make any changes
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Introducing new guidelines that only apply under 2 minutes seems like much more of a rule change than an interpretation change to me, but ok.
Too late, NCAA.
It's like the infield fly rule. In sports, you should never be able to gain an advantage by doing something negative.
Oh gee thanks for correcting that now.
Similarly, apologizing after a blown call costs a game.
But they were reeeeeeally sorry.
Go Bucks!!!
David Peck
Why is it teams have to cheat to beat Ohio State?
Ironballs
As much as I hate it, it speaks to how good Ohio St. is. I just wish this shit wasn't always dealt with after the fact.
Maybe Day and staff should know the rules and be prepared. Lanning is smarter and that’s just the way it is.
Day was telling the referee before the play!
Head coaches have a ton of responsibility. Expecting him to know every possibility in existence is ridiculous.
The new rule shall be called: The Lanning Rule
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Funny as shit, but I think you're exactly right!
It's better to burn out than fade away
The P lanning rule.
David Peck
If 12 men are used intentionally, should be 15 yards.
Reading through the rule book, and this clarification, I'm fairly positive that the officials had everything they needed to flag Oregon for unsportsmanlike conduct and reset the clock to 10 seconds.
Of course, that's expecting a lot out of them...
Not against ohio state they wouldn't.
The juice is worth the squeeze
Nope, and for all the headlines this is getting, it's only one of four examples in the last 30 seconds where they screwed up.
This crew should be done for the year.
Hard to see and prove intent live in the game. Obviously that would be another solution is to allow replay to assess intent somehow. But this seems cleaner to remove the loophole. If we want to be fickle, Lanning could be disciplined for blatant unsportsmanlike behavior but I think that is a stretch.
They didn't even need to assess intent. Unfair Act. Flag them five yards and use that to reset the clock. It was already in the rule book. Now it's simply been clarified and interpreted.
Proving intent is easy. Once the ball is snapped and there are 12 players participating in the play, flag for 15 yards. If a player is trying to get off the field and is a step or so from getting off, five yard penalty with no time off the clock (dead ball foul).
Too busy calling offensive pass interference
Exactly that's what I thought it should be...
Bbc11
Kudos to Lanning for knowing the rule and using it to win... having said that, it's kinda crazy that teams have to find "creative" ways to beat Ryan Day. That's soft.
You gotta steal our signs, get our guys ejected for targeting, knock out players out while avoiding targeting, or find rule loopholes. Is Saban's Bama in the COVID year the only team to legitimately beat us since Day took over?
Untie shoelaces
Grab taints
Spit on players?
What else are we missing?
The caught pass, then 3 steps & fumble, that was ruled incomplete.
The 4th down stop that they reviewed for 3 days only to say Brock bowers made the 1st down.
Granting Kirby a timeout after the ball was snapped on a fake punt.
Tcun knowing what plays we were running the last 3 years.
Anything else?
Go Bucks!!!
David Peck
A day late, and a dollar short
There is no harmony in this rivalry's refrain
Took the words out my mouth. Was gonna say the same thing.
The juice is worth the squeeze
Still not clear when it becomes "illegal participation". My understanding pre-snap = illegal substitution & 5 yards / post-snap = illegal participation & 15 yards. btw... whomever said 'you can't double everybody', didn't understand this rule as well as Lanning.
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
There is no illegal participation in the rulebook anymore. You could get called for an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, but I think that would only happen in egregious cases where you know it was done intentionally (guy running off the bench for example)>
So this effectively makes it a dead ball penalty only if the offense chooses for it to be. I’m fine with that instead of saying it always is. Theoretically, an offense could be trying to kill the clock when the D has 12 men on the field, so it makes sense for the offense to have the option to not put the time back.
It's a little too little, it's a little too late.
So if the 12th man is pretending to run off the field, there's no clock reset? That's the way I read the new rule.
Screw the Blue (and that gawd-awful yellow)
Me too. If 12 are in formation awaiting the snap, it should be 15 Yards, if a player is running off the field, 5 yards, clock resets unless offense declines and takes result of play.
It is still 11 on 11 on that play with a free down so I see the logic somewhat. No added clock advantage needed in theory, but I think taking subjectivity out of it would be better. What if the QB notices they had 12 guys with 10 seconds left, thinks he can use whatever time he wants etc.
That's how I read it too. Take that sentence out and make it across the board. The refs have enough that is subjective for them (targeting, football move after a catch).
It's a little too little, it's a little too late.
Well, that was fast.
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Cool, but I don't really give a shit. Should have never been that close and we have 99 other things to fix.
Sounds like Oregon's staff is well versed in the NCAA bylaw playbook. Anyone playing them down the stretch, especially if they make the playoff should be careful.
We will play them again and it will be epic!!!
David Peck
Damn, that was quick.
It's better to burn out than fade away
Ryan a Day late and dollar short.
Of course, the overwhelming reaction to this is that Ohio State cried about it and the NCAA bowed down to them and changed the rule.
In this case, Lanning took advantage of a flaw in the rule and used it to his advantage. Smart, but also a bit cheap. However, once again, somehow Ohio State is getting blamed for other teams doing shady stuff against them. It's truly "Ohio Against the World", isn't it?
Go Bucks!
I don’t see that reaction anywhere, including Reddit.
Been to Twitter?
Go Bucks!
You are upset that twitter trolls are saying this? I’m talking about places where actual football discussions take place. We have our own trolls telling Oregon it’s the only reason they won the game.
I'm not truly upset. I just think it seems like a lot of people on social media have the reaction that this is somehow Ohio State's fault, when in actuality, the NCAA is trying to make sure it doesn't happen to anyone else going forward.
Maybe I should check Reddit next time.
Go Bucks!
That site is a fucking cesspool of human thoughts
wb5
The Lanning Loophole closed.
If not now, when?
Well, can't fly em back out to Eugene and put 10 seconds on the clock. Just win out and beat their ass good in Indy! We might even invite Knowles along.
That must be the fastest rule change in the history of college football.
B1G changed it's onside kick officiating rules in less than a day after MN got screwed against tcun.
Go Bucks!!!
David Peck
Bullcrap weak kneed move by Steve Shaw and his minions. Why is this just a five yard penalty. It is an intentional, unfair act yet it has the same weight as an illegal shift or offsides. The penalty should be 15 yards from either the end of the play or the previous spot. It should also be an automatic first down for the offense.
This should apply for the entire game not just the last two minutes, the only thing I agree with is resetting the clock if the foul occurs in the last two minutes of the half. This will lead to an automatic video review to confirm the amount of time on the clock at the previous snap.
Glad to see the NCAA acted swiftly. This is good, although it doesn't salve the pain from OSU's loss. It is important that the NCAA acted now so that teams don't copy the Lanning act during the playoffs.
So the NCAA can act quickly. I'm shocked. I was somewhat conflicted, impressed with Lanning's creativity, but upset he would push the envelope in at a bare minimum, an unsportsmanlike way to gain a clearly deciding edge.
Knowledge isn't free, you have to pay attention
In a way this makes the L even more sad and disappointing.
Well that makes me feel soooo much better now.
Beat Michigan!
I had said it should be a 10sec add on if the offense is trailing but this is close enough. Free play essentially.
However…the offense has to know it’s a free play to really take advantage. Encroachment is pretty obvious to the QB so he usually knows to take a shot because it’s a free play. This one…not so much unless he counted the defenders ahead of time.
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
Well if that doesn’t chafe….
Lanning probably utilizes a very clever tax accountant that knows all of the loopholes.
A bad day on the water beats a good day at work.
Oh I am sure he does. He probably has a team soley dedicated to it and that's how they used it and knew to use it so quickly.
With the shit the government squanders money on? I hope he does.
ROLL BUCKEYES!
This is basically like the recurring "Big Ten officials apologize for blown call against Ohio State last weekend" statement we always get. I know every fanbase probably thinks this, but good God has there ever been a team that gets more fucked over by shitty officiating/poorly conceived rules than Ohio State? It can't even be close at this point.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
Not the first time teams have had 12 men participating on the field. Just have to make sure you spot it - on the field or upstairs in the booth - and point it out quickly to the refs, because the refs sure miss a lot of calls. Not sure the refs would have called the penalty on Oregon had Day not pointed it out to them.
Illegal substitution is reviewable if it is missed, FYI.
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I get it that lanning used a flaw in the rule to his advantage but fuck him. Youre proud of this big dan?? All you oregon fucks out there proud of this? You completely said fuck you to the spirit and intent of sportsmanship and fair play. This was completely unsportsmanlike and should have been penalized as such. This is almost harbaugh 2.0 bullshit. Id be disgusted beyond words if day ever did something like this.
Tim Weaver
You don't think if Urban had pulled this back in the day, the large majority of Buckeye fans wouldn't be loving it? This is technically within the rules of the game and nowhere near the level of Harbaugh. Is it annoying? Yes. Unsportsmanlike? Not so much.
What have you done to beat TCUN today?
my guess would be that if an OSU coach pulled this non sense, "Unsportmanlike Conduct' would be the froth of of all the Heather Dinnichs' out there. TBH, it was within the rules, so hat tip to Oregon for figuring it out.
Wrong
Maybe Lanning thought the law of averages applied. Notre Dame only used 10 players on the last play last year. Oregon used 12 this year. 12+10=22, divided by 2 equals 11.
This is equally hilarious as it is maddening. They changed the rule 4 fucking days after the game. Fantastic.
Two significant rule changes in less than two seasons immediately following from two Buckeye losses, how bizarre. This one is less concerning to me, the rule change is good for the sport and I don't feel like the Buckeyes were somehow 'robbed' of a win in Eugene. They failed to take it. And this is what burns me the most: the inability of post-Urban OSU to get an early KO in the biggest games. The fourth quarter woes and final outcomes say it all.
What have you done to beat TCUN today?
Games never end with The Bucks got all the breaks…”
All good. Will only be a footnote after the Buckeyes dish out the payback the Big Ten championship game.
DotThei
Change made 6 seconds too late.
A day late and dollar short.
JoeCleveland
They should have given the offense the option of resetting the clock that 5 to 7 seconds on any defensive penalty in the last minutes to close all such loopholes. What is to stop the defense from holding the best deep offensive threat? It is only 5 yards and the time comes off.
It is actually 10 yards in college, but if a team is 20 yards out of field goal range with 10 seconds left, it is a smart move
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One less gimmick Oregon will be able to use
Too little too late, as is typical for OSU.
F it, it’s time to move on. We got exposed thinking we are better than we thought and let it get to our heads. I don’t see how they always beat us when Thibodeaux is out crazy.
We are still more than likely going to win the whole thing it just put a bruise on us. This team is still gelling, and I actually think our o line will come out better, forcing people to step up
If we get the opportunity to play em again, after we get a nice lead we should fake injuries, send the whole defense on the field, allow their d linemen into the backfield where our qb can throw the ball right at their nuts!
If we get the opportunity to play em again, after we get a nice lead we should fake injuries, send the whole defense on the field, allow their d linemen into the backfield where our qb can throw the ball right at their nuts!
If we get the opportunity to play em again, after we get a nice lead we should fake injuries, send the whole defense on the field, allow their d linemen into the backfield where our qb can throw the ball right at their nuts!
If we get the opportunity to play em again, after we get a nice lead we should fake injuries, send the whole defense on the field, allow their d linemen into the backfield where our qb can throw the ball right at their nuts! Then eveeybody hit him!
Ok, we get it.
What have you done to beat TCUN today?
What's the penalty for having 4 consecutive exact posts? I hope it's not a do over.
I heard that the penalty was different if 12 players participated in the play (15 yards) vs if a player was running to get off the field and not participating (5 yards).
Is that correct?
If so, the penalty should have been 15 yards.
The refs blew it.
Our honor defend, we'll fight to the end !
"it's not magic, it's fundamentals" that lead to Ohio State's success. - Ryan Day
And, IMO...
Ohio State fans should be forgiven/tolerated for feeling the Buckeyes got robbed by the refs, who...
Of course, the Buckeyes could have played better in the 4th quarter and left no doubt. But...sheesh!
Our honor defend, we'll fight to the end !
"it's not magic, it's fundamentals" that lead to Ohio State's success. - Ryan Day
That’s great kinda stings like salt to the wound
DH7 was Special R.I.P Simba
I know you’re not supposed to whine and complain about the referees but here we now have proof we’re not crazy. It was a total bullshit move that Oregon made, and almost completely unprecedented to change the rule to close this cheating method in season. We got a right to complain. “The Lanning Rule.” Enjoy the eternal infamy, jackass. You and Conor Stallions should start a cheating POS Podcast. The “POS POD.”
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
Lanning is a punk coach of a spitting, quasi-cheating team. Michigan wanna-be's.
I never thought I'd say this, but compare this classless clown to James Franklin who stopped his team from planting a flag and stating they have respect for USC. That's pretty darn classy of JF.
Dan Lanning will never be a great coach with his bush-league poor sportsmanship. He'll get his, and I'll be happy to see it.
Here Here!!
David Peck
lol, James Franklin, the paragon of classy sportsmanship.
What have you done to beat TCUN today?
Meh... Lanning is everything thats wrong with America, always looking for a loophole to exploit to get ahead. Just because its legal, or within the rules, doesnt make it ethical/right. All good, karma is a ..... And it will come around to him and Oregon.
CBus love
“There are scenarios where the defense could potentially gain a clock advantage by having more than 11 players on the field actively participating in a play. This action violates a guiding principle in our football playing rules, that there should be no profit when a team
fouls.”
NCAA to Oregon: You bastards cheated.
"You either get better, or worse, you never stay the same." Woody Hayes
“There are scenarios where the defense could potentially gain a clock advantage by having more than 11 players on the field actively participating in a play. This action violates a guiding principle in our football playing rules, that there should be no profit when a team
fouls.”
NCAA to Oregon: You bastards cheated.
"You either get better, or worse, you never stay the same." Woody Hayes
Now they should let Ohio State attempt a field goal at the spot that Will Howard slid. With the extra 4 seconds, we would have called the time out and the clock would have stopped. If we make the FG, change the score & give us the win! Wishful thinking I know...
Well thank you very f-ing much for the in season rule change!
I’m glad they’re changing the rule but this is far from the reason we lost Saturday. This story is being amplified a little too much.
When egregious errors are revealed there aught to be a remedy. In this case the loss should be vacated.
Gregory
Lanning was playing chess and we were playing checkers last 10 seconds. Yes the outcome sucks, but that wasn't the only time we were outcoached, how about the 4th and inches instead of running they run a lil te screen for a huge gainer. Our staff looked like amateur hour last Saturday. No pressure on the qb LJ..... ZERO PRESSURE, guy was ordering tea and crumpets while hucking bombs.
Running the 12th man on should have been unsportsmanlike or illegal participation. Eff ‘em all. Fix the stuff we need to fix. All the goals remain. Go Bucks!!
What this really says is that Dan Lenning is a scheming little weasel that doesn't have confidence in his team to win the right way, so he will do whatever it takes. (Did he mentor under Hairball?)
Auburn had a coach a few years ago (I forget his name), and made it through the year exploiting a rule. Something about the offensive linemen downfield. The Bama fans hated him.
At least the NCAA didn't let it go on all year, this time.
Go Bucks!
Or make it15 yards after the 2 minute warning
My last words will probably be: "It seemed like a good Idea at the time..."
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Steven Hawking
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My last words will probably be: "It seemed like a good Idea at the time..."
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Steven Hawking
They should have given the option of resetting the clock on any defensive penalty in the last two minutes that gets marked off from the original line of scrimmage. That takes away a potential gained advantage from things like defensive holding and defensive pass interference which are sometimes committed on purpose to gain an advantage in those last second situations.