Dave also said, "ichigan once told me, 'If you were my boyfriend I would put poison in your drink!' I replied, 'If I was your boyfriend I would drink it, baby!!'" F.U.C.K. TCUN!!
It’s more commonly attributed to Churchill, but has been a joke since even before his time, probably even before it was published in the Oswego Times in 1899.
The goal posts keep moving with that fanbase:
Integrity leaders of the B1G
It never happened
Lone wolf
No advantage
Everyone does it
F it, we won & did it fairly - NCAA prez said so
In every battle there comes a time when both sides consider themselves beaten, then he who continues the attack wins. - Ulysses S. Grant
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“Tiny Dancer”
Khakied nimrod, A.A. dipwad, fevered is his brain
Goofy-eyed, psycho smile, going to pieces from the strain
Antonym, you must have seen him, glass of milk in hand
And now I’m in me, always with me, my self-absorption in my hand
Scummy freaks out in the street
Handing Coke coupons out for tix
Turning back he just laughs
The L.A. gig is not that bad
Ono man he takes his stand
In the regents’ smoking lounge
Looking on Warde sings his songs
The words he knows, the tune he hums
But oh how it feels so real
Lying here where none can hear
Only me, and I can hear me
When I say softly, slowly
Hold me closer my own ego
Conscience has no more to say
Lay me down in self-adulation
I’ve had a busy day today
Khakied nimrod, A.A. dipwad, crazy for the cause
Goofy-eyed, psycho smile, going to pieces from the strain
Antonym, you must have seen him, cheeseburger in hand
And now I’m in me, always with me, hubris in my very hand
But oh how it feels so real
Lying here where none can hear
Only me, and I can hear me
When I say softly, slowly
Hold me closer my own ego
Conscience has no more to say
Lay me down in self-adulation
I’ve had a busy day today
It’s a big week for the Cheats. This is the last six days of being a ranked team in oh, let’s say four years..minimum. Enjoy your #24 you rotten, cheating, bastards.
From what I’ve read (I haven’t watched much Illinois admittedly) their strength has been their pass D, which is pretty irrelevant when playing TTUN since they can’t throw the ball anyway.
Don’t get me wrong, TTUN sucks. I’ve got them losing 4 of their remaining games, but I think Illinois is fraudulent and matches up poorly.
Yeah Donnie. And I learned a few years ago to not read in game comments nor post loss comments.
It's truly amazing the number of negative people that hang out on this website. I can't imagine going thru life with a negative outlook and a pessimistic attitude.
I’d like to know what portion of those crazy, overly-reactive, negative posts are real OSU fans vs poser trolls acting like they’re OSU fans? I can’t comprehend why some of them are fans based on what they post in the game threads and after a less than perfect game.
I can understand being frustrated but I have a few friends who are like this with every team they root for. And I just cannot imagine the amount of anger and rage they must have to never be happy about any of their sports teams. One of these friends is a Bengals, Buckeyes, and Reds fan, guarantee he will be calling for Tito's job by the end of May/Early June.
Really unfortunate part of this situation that probably isn’t being talked about enough and it’s really sadly unfair that there isn’t anything that can be done about it…
I’m not ashamed to say that I think Day is ELITE and wouldn’t be quick to trade him for anyone in college football at the moment. The loss on Saturday is sucks, but think Day did a great job of managing that game in the end (won’t get into those details here)…
What is sort of being lost across the fan base as of this moment is that if we take the 3 losses to Michigan away, we are talking about Ryan Day suffering just his 6th as an OSU head coach… still would have a 91% win percentage which is just stupid, would have 5 Big 10 titles and 5 Playoff Births in his first 5 years of being OSUs head coach.
His 6 loses should be… Clemson by a TD, a loss to Alabama in the National Title, Oregon in Strouds 2nd game as a starter, Georgia by 1 point in the Playoffs… Oregon by 1 point in a true away game… (the 6th is questionable because we wouldn’t have played in the Cotton Bowl, McCord would have played)
Maybe the 2022 playoff play out different? Maybe he wins the title in ‘23?
If this situation never happens Day is realistically 5 for 5 against Michigan, 5 time Big 10 Champ with 5 playoff appearances at minimum… At least one National Title winner… with possibly only 4 or 5 losses…
Instead… Twitter and this board a line are talking about this being a title or bust year (and it’s a stacked team for sure) but Day *SHOULD* be the last coach in the country to feel a hot seat without this BS, should be in mindset that he is the man in Columbus which changes how he approaches every game, not feel like there is a ton of weight on his shoulders or questions about him in big moments…
The BS the Michigan fiasco frustrates me more today than ever and even when the NCAA fixes it, this part of it isn’t something that they can fix which…
A lot of teams were robbed, fans were robbed… but nobody has been more robbed by this than Coach Day…
The guy should be on an absolutely HISTORIC run if he didn’t have to deal with this and it’s completely altered that…
100%. People don’t like to admit Michigan 2021-23 wipes the floor with any and all of their teams post 06 with the lone exception of (maybe) 2016. And that’s without the cheating!
I do think Meyer gets at least one of those games as a W and would’ve closed against UGA and Oregon, but 2022 would’ve lost to somebody dumb and probably wouldn’t get to the playoffs anyway.
Well said. We couldn’t be more fortunate to have Day either. Aside from being a great football mind and workoholic, not many, if a handful, could represent a university better.
Oregon would have been Days 1st Big 10 loss ever… he is in his 6th freaking year! Has a coach ever went 41-0 or 44-0 to start their Big 10 career? Urban made it to 30 before the MSU game in 2015…
That would have been just Day’s 2nd regular season losses, both to Oregon and by a combined 8 points…
I intended to put a paragraph in there about this, but I tend to post here while on the move from my phone so there is a bunch of mistakes when I type or I completely leave out thoughts I had before I started typing…
But you are completely right here too… along with his ridiculous record that obviously the narrative changes about Day when you remove the high questionable losses to Michigan at this point and I think mentally changes how he coaches in some of those subsequent games that follow, he has been equally as amazing off the field
Not only is he bringing in phenomenal talent in recruiting and in the portal, he’s made that talent but into the values of this program at a level I don’t think we’ve seen here in Columbus and would argue the culture is the best the country has really seen. Howard talked about it when he transferred and how KSU prided itself on its brotherhood and how we might be less talented, but we’re going to our workout you… Howard comes to Columbus and not only do we have the most talented roster in the country, but the brotherhood is just as strong and nobody is out working us… it would be easy to loose the locker room with this type of talent or not getting the right kids in the locker room, but Day has struck in both sides of it and made sure the additions to this team fit not just what we need on the field, but the type of person we want off the field as well.
Day has somehow mastered the transition to the NIL era in a way I don’t think any other coach would have been able to do and we are seeing the struggles of it elsewhere in real time… OSU should have the hardest time harnessing that and getting its arms around it given how everyone wants to talk about our 20 million dollar roster, but we aren’t seeing the headlines that Texas AM say, Georgia is seeing daily, etc. I love Coach Meyer, but I don’t think he could have navigated us into this new era the way Day has…
When the sanctions hit, more than I want Michigans dirty laundry aired out… I think more importantly, Days resume has to be reexamined, talked about, the narrative has to change and some deep apologies need to be made from our own fan base…
Very well said, and as to the four downvotes you received, they are simply idiots (or trolls)…
Ryan Day has this program well positioned for the long term…. Each year we have seen incremental improvement in recruiting, NIL, coaching staff, et.al….
Quit the bullshit “Hot Seat”…. Who would you trade for Ryan Day? How’s Lincoln Riley doing? Brian Kelly? James “f’g” Franklin?
Only two I would put on Ryan Day’s level are Kirby Smart and MAYBE Dan Lanning…. I think OSU is better than Oregon, and it will show in the next match up…. And to the four down-voters, be careful what you wish for…
I sense that some fans expect Day to go undefeated every year, and that isn’t going to happen. As far I am concerned, the 3 losses to *ichigan did not happen if the cheating scandal is true, from what most here say, it is true. Halfway through the season and there are what, 6 ranked teams undefeated? At this moment I can not think of another coach I would trade Day for. Should Day move on, I think that Iowa State coach should get a look. He doesn’t have high ranking recruiting classes, but he sure seems to get the most out of his team. I wonder what he could do recruiting wise as a coach of TOSU. He has his team ranked number 9 currently? Plus he is from Ohio I believe.
Outside of the michigan games, he has been fucking fantastic. And we all know on here what went on with the michigan games. He has made a couple of bad calls in big games, the punt block attempt against Clemson, and letting Jim Knowles to lose us the Georgia game. Those were brutal. There was some bad calls and luck that went our way in those, but we still should have won both.
I feel lucky that Day is our coach.
I know we are all hurt by the Oregon game, but going into a bye, I think that losing there gives our team a chance to galvanize and refocus. I think that a win there gives them a chance to sit around autofellating themselves thinking about how good they are. I think that losing that particular game (the Simmons injury notwithstanding) actually gives us a better chance at winning the national title and completely destroying those bastards up in michigan on our way there.
Honestly I can't think of a coach that has had to deal with more bullshit than Day when it comes to awful officiating and all the TCUN crap. There's stuff he has to get better at to become a champion but we are always one coach away that will take us from being elite to just being a good program. Even worse, were one Mike Norvell away from being FSU.
I know it's seen as an excuse by most of the fanbase, but I agree 100%. The cheating scandal alone has completely flipped the perception of him and the program and prevented him from playing for more conference titles. I don't think many understand the damage that's done to his image and the stress it's added to also trying to manage a team. None of us can control what happens going forward. If he can't get over the hump, he'll eventually be fired. But I sure as hell hope he can, not just to see the team win, but I think he brings a stability to the program that Meyer couldn't and top tier recruiting and aggressiveness that Tressel lacked.
Outside of the michigan games, he has been fucking fantastic. And we all know on here what went on with the michigan games. He has made a couple of bad calls in big games, the punt block attempt against Clemson, and letting Jim Knowles to lose us the Georgia game. Those were brutal. There was some bad calls and luck that went our way in those, but we still should have won both.
I feel lucky that Day is our coach.
I know we are all hurt by the Oregon game, but going into a bye, I think that losing there gives our team a chance to galvanize and refocus. I think that a win there gives them a chance to sit around autofellating themselves thinking about how good they are. I think that losing that particular game (the Simmons injury notwithstanding) actually gives us a better chance at winning the national title and completely destroying those bastards up in michigan on our way there.
I'm afraid there is only one TRUE and just punishment for cheating and that is to forfeit every game in those 3 years.Ichigan does not get too and win The NC without their Cheating So NCAA do the right thing and show the rest of College Football the consequences of disrespecting the game and the players.
Ohio State Football isnt a matter of life or death,its much more serious than that.
Tbh, I don’t think the DV’er is a cheating troll as much as I think it’s a spoiled buckeye fan that doesn’t think cheating mattered. The loss gave them new life.
Oh, the cheating mattered and is still wrong. But we are Ohio State and should beat every other team every time no matter how much the deck is stacked against us.
I have a question for PD and/or Brohio. The Weiss/FBI computer investigation has been going on for ages. It has to be close to a couple years now. There has been very little recent information. No grand jury indictments. No formal charges made by the U of M police, state police or the FBI. Typically when an investigation ends there is no official announcement. There is just silence and is not pursued any further. Are we at that point or is there still behind the scenes activity still related to his unauthorized use of computer equipment?
Not much of an update, but I believe Matt still lives in Ann Arbor…
Interesting because he’s a coach so not on the move to try and land a different gig from what it seems (which is big because football loves to recycle coaches as much as possible and whatever this is, hasn’t gone away to let that happen). His wife owns a company that I think promotes under funded women’s sports like field hockey and LAX.
His wife has removed her socials on X… which is a big deal considering her line of work and I don’t think she is on any other platform anymore…
Could be a nothing and maybe they just like Ann Arbor… or maybe they can’t move due to the investigation? It has to be an odd spot for Matt to continue to live in and can’t think there is a lot of career options there. I’d tend to believe the have been instructed to stay in some way or (though I still strongly believe he isn’t tied to gambling or money laundering at this point) his accounts are some how locked up with the FBI investigation and they are under some financial freeze? (… I don’t know how FBI investigations work outside of cheesy TV)
Sadly, I think TCUN fans think they found a loophole. They thought that because the advance scouting wasn't performed by a TCUN staff member it was legal. I think the NCAA reply will be - you can't hire a hit man and get away with murder.
I think this is one of Stalion's rationalizations......that it was not staff members doing the advanced scouting. But, we know Stalions himself advanced scouted Michigan State (vs CMU) and I thought I read on here that various UM interns working with the football team also advanced scouted? We will know shortly as the 'spreadsheet' apparently had the names of all of the advanced scouts.
Personally, I cannot wait to see the video of the investigative firm videoing the advanced scouts. That is going to be a piece of evidence that will be fun to watch as a picture will be worth a thousand words in this scandal.
That logic will look especially dumb if the NCAA does, in fact, have proof that UM coaches accessed Stalions' advanced scouting footage. That act doesn't stop being advanced scouting when video footage is transferred between computers.
Just like Weiss doesn't get off the hook for accessing data from UM's database.
Just like how insider trading isn't excepted when you illegally act on information from a friend, family member, or casual acquaintance (unless, for some reason, you're in Congress).
I got an idea. How about teams like the cheaters up north and the cheaters on the west coast stop trying to find loop holes and play the damn game..... if you need a loop hole you suck and are a cheater...... welcome to the big ten *ichigan junior oregon......
Though there is now questions if Dan actually did that on purpose or if he’s making it seem like he did it on purpose because it turned out to be a genius move. I think there is evidence of him saying that he can’t believe they had 12 men on the field to the sideline after the penalty… maybe once it worked and it became a “chess move” he sort of leaned into him being the smartest man a live bit?
That said, even if he 100% did it on purpose… what he did isnt much different than putting one foot out of bounds then recovering a kick that is just laying at the 5 yard line to create a penalty… a running taking a knee at the 2 to bleed the clock instead of walking in the endzone… taking a snap up by 3, on 4th down, but instead of actually punting with 10 seconds to go in the game, just running around before taking the safety… that’s just situational football and using the rule book to your advantage. Were there errors in how the refs handled the last drive, yes… does the rule book need to change to close that specific rule book… also yes…
But it’s not close and shouldn’t be lumped into what Michigan did… it’s not even on the same planet and gives them way, way, way too much credit or completely minimizes what they actually did IMO
Agreed on most of that, especially the part about it being from different planets. But it was an overt and purposeful breaking of the rules because he thought the penalty was worth it. So I think a closer analogy is the "professional" DPI to prevent a touchdown, than the examples you gave which were either unintentional or not actually penalties.
Another rule change I would like to see: Fumbling into the end zone. The NFL made a rule change after Kenny Stabler intentionally fumbled into the end zone. My suggestion is if a team fumbles into the end zone and is recovered by the offense, the ball is placed at the spot of the fumble. If the defense recovers, the ball comes out to the 20 as usual.
I cannot wait to see Michigan fans down bad again. The thought of them watching their shitty program lose to Ohio State every year for a decade straight, and get absolutely gutted by the NCAA makes me smile. Bad times are coming for that cheating team and scumbag shitty fanbase.
I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people.
As we look forward to our remaining schedule I am frankly enjoying what SEC teams still have to go through with everyone having at least one loss except Texas. Georgia has Texas, Ole Miss, and Tennessee. Alabama has Tennessee, LSU, and Missouri. Texas has Georgia of course but also Texas A&M plus both Kentucky and Vandy. This is the year that they cannibalize each other.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Now imagine if they played a ninth conference game instead of Mercer or the Citadel or the Arkadelphia School for the Blind in their penultimate game. They would be cannibalizing the hell out of eachother.
In fairness some of the schools play a P4 out of conference every year. Georgia plays Georgia Tech. South Carolina plays Clemson, Florida plays Florida State and often ends up with either Miami or another P4 like Utah last year and the year before. Alabama almost always has a good P4 as one of their 4 OOC and one their other OOCs comes against higher end G5. When they choose to play those other games only seems to be a pain for some fans. Personally I think it is smart to play a sure win in their next to last regular season game. They get a bump early in the polls from who they play in game 1 or 2 then they get a rest game near the end of the season.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
The SEC had three of their sixteen teams play 2 Power 4 OOC games. The rest all played only nine Power 4 teams, unlike almost everyone in the Big 10 and the Big 12. The ACC also engages in this total cowardice. That is how Clemson plays The Citadel every year before playing South Carolina. It is the biggest bitch move in all of sports. Except for compiling a giant database of the signs of every one of your opponents so that you know all of their plays in advance. That is the bitch move of the century.
Why is it a bitch move? Because we don't like it? Georgia beats the shit out of Clemson. Alabama crushed Wisconsin. Texas destroyed tcun.
The SEC all time owns a 60% winning percentage over the Big Ten regular season. They own a 65% winning percentage in bowl games. This century there have only been 3 years where they have a losing record against the Big Ten. You know, the kinda record we like to brag about over tcun.
I hate the SEC just like everyone else on here. But I am also willing to face facts when they are staring me in the face. I don't buy for one minute that those percentages would change if they added another conference game unless you buy into the idea that their conference is the toughest top to bottom which I have seen many on here argue it isn't. So what if they play a easy OOC game late in the season instead of playing them all in September.
Just because we don't like something doesn't make it wrong or not a smart move.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
I totally understand the reasons that the teams do it. They get an extra home game, money from it, an extra win, but at the expense of fandom. I would still say it is short sighted. TV dollars like the big boy games. They have a harder time selling Alabama playing the Northeastern Chattahoochee School for the People Who Can’t Play Football Good than they do Alabama vs USC. I think that it is a losing bet in terms of money.
Playing only nine power conference teams is a bitch move. It is pure chicken shit. Just because they think it benefits them doesn’t mean that it isn’t cowardly.
You’re right the NCAA can’t take it away… but as Maestro said, it’s finding a way to not let the NCAA domino to fall that would then lead to the playoff committee taking it away. I don’t see a path of that not happening, but essentially the fight to keep it is still with the NCAA if that makes sense
Been away for several days; catching up not to difficult. Completely agree on the affirmations of how great our coach is! How do we let him know that rational and reasonable fans think this way? I wish there was some way we could get tens/hundreds of thousands of fans to hand write and mail a letter of support to Coach Day and have the post office deliver them in bags ala Miracle on 34th Street.
Someone not named GareBear should throw the text from all of these threads into chatgpt and ask it fo extract a summary of events and insights. Would be fun.
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There isn’t going to be much more talked about until Michigan responds…
There are some loose ends out there, especially regarding the financial piece, but someone came in and helped clean that up so you couldn’t track them. It’s clear that Conner was stupid and sloppy with it in the beginning, using BC2 as a company name, letting Blakes name appear on the company documents, etc… but they are financial records and only so much of that is public. I think we’ve taken that about as far as we can through Google searches… there is something there, but that piece needs more than Google to get the full story at this point…
The same could probably be said about most other aspects of this and we just won’t know until the info has to be made public by UM and the NCAA unfortunately
I know PD had a records request for info… Michigan isn’t giving that up regardless of the rules/laws around record sharing. Tom Mars even talked about this awhile ago and how teams are willing to ignore the rules now when it’s beneficial and just make sure their legal team wraps up those documents, those searches, etc with a legal stamp so they don’t have to be released…
The Ravens piece and other things we know about… again won’t be discussed unless there is someone willing to talk. That stuff just isn’t floating around the internet for people to find…
Weiss… it’s an FBI investigation… the records won’t be shared until the investigation is complete. The Ann Arbor police they are working with will just continue to say they are working with the FBI so no leaks there
I think some of the loose lips in Ann Arbor aren’t so loose anymore because of Wardes efforts to figure out who’s lips are loose…
All that said… there isn’t going to be much for about another month. UM appears to be in the path of just riding this out… the only hope to anything new coming out is if Ann Arbor reevaluates that strategy with a loss to Illinois, MSU and Oregon and they need to get this done to start the bowl ban this year with it being clear they are either missing a bowl this year or headed to a Grippo’s Gridiron Classic Bowl
For a couple months I’ve sort of sat on some info… mostly because I can’t bring it full circle to truly be something of true confirmation or 100% certainty. However with the news cycle for this story being a bit slow, maybe it’s worth putting out there… plus I think it’s a trail that comes to a complete dead end…
Disclosure… I’m not putting all the details out there to avoid giving up the persons identity. Because I can’t bring it full circle, it might just be a bizarre coincidence so things that would point back to the person are going to be completely left out… it’s just not fair to drag someone’s name into this without being able to absolutely connect the dots…
Also… this doesn’t really help with any action by the NCAA, the penalties… this is completely outside the NCAAs scope with that regard and I am still of the belief that this doesn’t point to any sort of financial crime, but it does *possibly* add clarity to “The Real Totchmans” (Tim Smith) post after the 2021 game basically thanking a friend for coming up with a great idea that had great results (not getting into that too much here as it’s been discussed)…
There is a person that worked at a major program who has a provable direct connection to Conner. In a previous role, he was in charge of finances, donations, working with boosters, fundraising for that program and may have been thought of to become an AD for that program. Now he works for a 3rd party, but basically is in a similar role for UM… giving access to Tim Smith and others. I won’t say how he is connected to Conner… his name or the program he previously worked for… but it’s there…
This could all be a major coincidence, but Conners entire life has been made up of major coincidences at this point that are to overwhelming to ignore… I don’t think this person did anything wrong at the moment, certainly nothing illegal, but I *think* it does provide a *possible* direct link from Conner to Tim Smith, who is widely believed to be Uncle T, who is believed to be The Real Totchman… and when you bump this up to the post from 2021, it starts to make that picture extremely clear and only supports that he was talking about the Advanced Scouting in that post. It just adds to the evidence that Brohio has previously put together linking the LLC under Uncle T, Conner’s LLC, etc. It also explains why The Real Totchman would have this oddly weird, close relationship with an otherwise unknown staffer who typically don’t have that connection…
J.B. - I am truly enjoying your posts - well thought out and to the point without being wordy.
I am one of those who grew up during the 10 year war! I was taught to hate TCun but respect them. Your post along with everyone else who had posted has reinforced my correct decision to no longer respect TTUn!!!
The bitter part of all this is they have thrown away the Great Rivalry in Sports and they do not give a Damn for their own State of Michigan!!
GO BUCKEYES- BEAT THE HUSKERS!!!
"To have a great life simply follow this rule: Do not bring undue conflict into your life..."
I get the bit expressed here about how the fact Harbaugh cheated has made a huge difference for Day in terms of his big game record and how we perceive him - and there's some truth to it all. But I think the only game where cheating made the difference between winning and losing was the one two years ago in Columbus. It of course made a gigantic difference there (though the cheating didn't make our D break down repeatedly or cause the 1H false start that turned a possible 7 into 3) - what happened to Harbaugh and TSUN in that semifinal v. TCU just underlines everything: Harbaugh's ho-hum record prior to 2021; his never winning a bowl game at TSUN until last year; his never having top recruiting classes yet somehow turning it around so that a losing season in 2020 becomes Bama-like....They were frauds.
But Day's team got bullied in Ann Arbor in 2021 on top of the cheating, and lost last year to a team whose head coach had been suspended twice in one season for two different rules violations!! "Xichigan Xan," indeed.
I enjoy reading anti-TSUN screeds as much as the next guy, but I do wonder: does anyone at 11W or in the wider Ohio State community really think anything that happens now will make a difference? I'm sorry, but I was at the Sugar Bowl where we beat an SEC team for the first time and I don't care that we later "forfeited" that game because of some tattoos. TCSUN and its community will go to their graves counting 2023 as a national championship and no punishment *now* or in 2025 will erase that.
Um, I disagree wholeheartedly. Of course you’re entitled to your opinion but mines just as valid as yours and I think the cheating absolutely impacted all three games and led to TCUN “title” which will be vacated or forfeited and they can claim it all they want. Everyone will know it’s fraudulent and will call them out on it. And it won’t be counted in ANY official record books. So, yeah, it will be erased…
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Funk *ichigan!!
Hooverines.....
As the great Diamond David Lee Roth once said" the only people who put tea in their Jack Daniels bottle is the ichigan Wolverines baby" Fuck TCUN.
Leave Jack Daniel's alone. Leave all bourbon and scotch alone. Flavored whiskey -- BAD!
Dave also said, "ichigan once told me, 'If you were my boyfriend I would put poison in your drink!' I replied, 'If I was your boyfriend I would drink it, baby!!'" F.U.C.K. TCUN!!
“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!” DLR
That was originally a Rodney Dangerfield joke. Pretty funny no matter who says it.
I thought Jimmy Durante did it originally, but the sentiment is the same no matter who said it first.
“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!” DLR
It’s more commonly attributed to Churchill, but has been a joke since even before his time, probably even before it was published in the Oswego Times in 1899.
Screw scum & the stallion they rode in on. Burn it to the ground!
Ran into a TTUN friend this week.
The goal posts keep moving with that fanbase:
Integrity leaders of the B1G
It never happened
Lone wolf
No advantage
Everyone does it
F it, we won & did it fairly - NCAA prez said so
In every battle there comes a time when both sides consider themselves beaten, then he who continues the attack wins. - Ulysses S. Grant
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“Tiny Dancer”
Khakied nimrod, A.A. dipwad, fevered is his brain
Goofy-eyed, psycho smile, going to pieces from the strain
Antonym, you must have seen him, glass of milk in hand
And now I’m in me, always with me, my self-absorption in my hand
Scummy freaks out in the street
Handing Coke coupons out for tix
Turning back he just laughs
The L.A. gig is not that bad
Ono man he takes his stand
In the regents’ smoking lounge
Looking on Warde sings his songs
The words he knows, the tune he hums
But oh how it feels so real
Lying here where none can hear
Only me, and I can hear me
When I say softly, slowly
Hold me closer my own ego
Conscience has no more to say
Lay me down in self-adulation
I’ve had a busy day today
Khakied nimrod, A.A. dipwad, crazy for the cause
Goofy-eyed, psycho smile, going to pieces from the strain
Antonym, you must have seen him, cheeseburger in hand
And now I’m in me, always with me, hubris in my very hand
But oh how it feels so real
Lying here where none can hear
Only me, and I can hear me
When I say softly, slowly
Hold me closer my own ego
Conscience has no more to say
Lay me down in self-adulation
I’ve had a busy day today
By Bernie Taupin
Fuck TCUN
DH7 was Special R.I.P Simba
It’s a big week for the Cheats. This is the last six days of being a ranked team in oh, let’s say four years..minimum. Enjoy your #24 you rotten, cheating, bastards.
future records: 2025 (4 - 8), 2026 ( 3 - 9), 2027 ( 5-7 ), 2028 (6 -7). 6-6 but lose their ‘bowl game’. Bwahaha
Unfortunately I think they’re gonna wipe the floor with Illinois.
why?
because Washington, USC and Minnesota are so good?
I'm not saying that Illinois is great by any stretch, but I am interested in your reasoning.
vacuuming sucks
From what I’ve read (I haven’t watched much Illinois admittedly) their strength has been their pass D, which is pretty irrelevant when playing TTUN since they can’t throw the ball anyway.
Don’t get me wrong, TTUN sucks. I’ve got them losing 4 of their remaining games, but I think Illinois is fraudulent and matches up poorly.
Thank you for sharing your reasoning. Hoping for an ugly piece of garbage won 10-9 by Illinois.
vacuuming sucks
That's fair, but a good passing D can become a better run D when they don't really have to defend the pass...
I like your thinking
The question then is, “Will Bert’s staff recognize this and have a game plan that is up to the task?”
“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”
Looks like everyone is busy with the various postgame threads.
!Hasta la vista!
Yeah Donnie. And I learned a few years ago to not read in game comments nor post loss comments.
It's truly amazing the number of negative people that hang out on this website. I can't imagine going thru life with a negative outlook and a pessimistic attitude.
My favorite team? Whoever is playing TTUN.
I’d like to know what portion of those crazy, overly-reactive, negative posts are real OSU fans vs poser trolls acting like they’re OSU fans? I can’t comprehend why some of them are fans based on what they post in the game threads and after a less than perfect game.
I can understand being frustrated but I have a few friends who are like this with every team they root for. And I just cannot imagine the amount of anger and rage they must have to never be happy about any of their sports teams. One of these friends is a Bengals, Buckeyes, and Reds fan, guarantee he will be calling for Tito's job by the end of May/Early June.
Really unfortunate part of this situation that probably isn’t being talked about enough and it’s really sadly unfair that there isn’t anything that can be done about it…
I’m not ashamed to say that I think Day is ELITE and wouldn’t be quick to trade him for anyone in college football at the moment. The loss on Saturday is sucks, but think Day did a great job of managing that game in the end (won’t get into those details here)…
What is sort of being lost across the fan base as of this moment is that if we take the 3 losses to Michigan away, we are talking about Ryan Day suffering just his 6th as an OSU head coach… still would have a 91% win percentage which is just stupid, would have 5 Big 10 titles and 5 Playoff Births in his first 5 years of being OSUs head coach.
His 6 loses should be… Clemson by a TD, a loss to Alabama in the National Title, Oregon in Strouds 2nd game as a starter, Georgia by 1 point in the Playoffs… Oregon by 1 point in a true away game… (the 6th is questionable because we wouldn’t have played in the Cotton Bowl, McCord would have played)
Maybe the 2022 playoff play out different? Maybe he wins the title in ‘23?
If this situation never happens Day is realistically 5 for 5 against Michigan, 5 time Big 10 Champ with 5 playoff appearances at minimum… At least one National Title winner… with possibly only 4 or 5 losses…
Instead… Twitter and this board a line are talking about this being a title or bust year (and it’s a stacked team for sure) but Day *SHOULD* be the last coach in the country to feel a hot seat without this BS, should be in mindset that he is the man in Columbus which changes how he approaches every game, not feel like there is a ton of weight on his shoulders or questions about him in big moments…
The BS the Michigan fiasco frustrates me more today than ever and even when the NCAA fixes it, this part of it isn’t something that they can fix which…
A lot of teams were robbed, fans were robbed… but nobody has been more robbed by this than Coach Day…
The guy should be on an absolutely HISTORIC run if he didn’t have to deal with this and it’s completely altered that…
well stated
vacuuming sucks
100%. People don’t like to admit Michigan 2021-23 wipes the floor with any and all of their teams post 06 with the lone exception of (maybe) 2016. And that’s without the cheating!
I do think Meyer gets at least one of those games as a W and would’ve closed against UGA and Oregon, but 2022 would’ve lost to somebody dumb and probably wouldn’t get to the playoffs anyway.
ABSOLUTELY 100% agree with J.B.
My favorite team? Whoever is playing TTUN.
Well said. We couldn’t be more fortunate to have Day either. Aside from being a great football mind and workoholic, not many, if a handful, could represent a university better.
Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith
Thank you for saying so. All these other threads bemoaning everything are depressing.
Just some more context…
Taking out Michigan’s 3 advanced scouting win…
Oregon would have been Days 1st Big 10 loss ever… he is in his 6th freaking year! Has a coach ever went 41-0 or 44-0 to start their Big 10 career? Urban made it to 30 before the MSU game in 2015…
That would have been just Day’s 2nd regular season losses, both to Oregon and by a combined 8 points…
Totally agree AGAIN, J.B.
My favorite team? Whoever is playing TTUN.
I totally agree JB. So glad the "sane" fans are here in the TCUN scandal threads. (If you can call us sane 207 thread in )
I think Ryan Day is not only the right coach for us, but the coach I'd want influencing my son if he was on the team!
Go Bucks. Beat the SCUM Cheaters.
I intended to put a paragraph in there about this, but I tend to post here while on the move from my phone so there is a bunch of mistakes when I type or I completely leave out thoughts I had before I started typing…
But you are completely right here too… along with his ridiculous record that obviously the narrative changes about Day when you remove the high questionable losses to Michigan at this point and I think mentally changes how he coaches in some of those subsequent games that follow, he has been equally as amazing off the field
Not only is he bringing in phenomenal talent in recruiting and in the portal, he’s made that talent but into the values of this program at a level I don’t think we’ve seen here in Columbus and would argue the culture is the best the country has really seen. Howard talked about it when he transferred and how KSU prided itself on its brotherhood and how we might be less talented, but we’re going to our workout you… Howard comes to Columbus and not only do we have the most talented roster in the country, but the brotherhood is just as strong and nobody is out working us… it would be easy to loose the locker room with this type of talent or not getting the right kids in the locker room, but Day has struck in both sides of it and made sure the additions to this team fit not just what we need on the field, but the type of person we want off the field as well.
Day has somehow mastered the transition to the NIL era in a way I don’t think any other coach would have been able to do and we are seeing the struggles of it elsewhere in real time… OSU should have the hardest time harnessing that and getting its arms around it given how everyone wants to talk about our 20 million dollar roster, but we aren’t seeing the headlines that Texas AM say, Georgia is seeing daily, etc. I love Coach Meyer, but I don’t think he could have navigated us into this new era the way Day has…
When the sanctions hit, more than I want Michigans dirty laundry aired out… I think more importantly, Days resume has to be reexamined, talked about, the narrative has to change and some deep apologies need to be made from our own fan base…
Very well said, and as to the four downvotes you received, they are simply idiots (or trolls)…
Ryan Day has this program well positioned for the long term…. Each year we have seen incremental improvement in recruiting, NIL, coaching staff, et.al….
Quit the bullshit “Hot Seat”…. Who would you trade for Ryan Day? How’s Lincoln Riley doing? Brian Kelly? James “f’g” Franklin?
Only two I would put on Ryan Day’s level are Kirby Smart and MAYBE Dan Lanning…. I think OSU is better than Oregon, and it will show in the next match up…. And to the four down-voters, be careful what you wish for…
Go Bucks!
Give me Ryan Day over both of those people.
I sense that some fans expect Day to go undefeated every year, and that isn’t going to happen. As far I am concerned, the 3 losses to *ichigan did not happen if the cheating scandal is true, from what most here say, it is true. Halfway through the season and there are what, 6 ranked teams undefeated? At this moment I can not think of another coach I would trade Day for. Should Day move on, I think that Iowa State coach should get a look. He doesn’t have high ranking recruiting classes, but he sure seems to get the most out of his team. I wonder what he could do recruiting wise as a coach of TOSU. He has his team ranked number 9 currently? Plus he is from Ohio I believe.
Campbell is from Massillon.
Before this season, he never lost less than 3 games in a year. Most years he loses 5 or more.
Iowa State record: 94-63.
Could you imagine the meltdown if Ohio State lost that often?
Matt Campbell is not the guy to replace an Ohio State head coach.
Outside of the michigan games, he has been fucking fantastic. And we all know on here what went on with the michigan games. He has made a couple of bad calls in big games, the punt block attempt against Clemson, and letting Jim Knowles to lose us the Georgia game. Those were brutal. There was some bad calls and luck that went our way in those, but we still should have won both.
I feel lucky that Day is our coach.
I know we are all hurt by the Oregon game, but going into a bye, I think that losing there gives our team a chance to galvanize and refocus. I think that a win there gives them a chance to sit around autofellating themselves thinking about how good they are. I think that losing that particular game (the Simmons injury notwithstanding) actually gives us a better chance at winning the national title and completely destroying those bastards up in michigan on our way there.
And fuck michigan.
Honestly I can't think of a coach that has had to deal with more bullshit than Day when it comes to awful officiating and all the TCUN crap. There's stuff he has to get better at to become a champion but we are always one coach away that will take us from being elite to just being a good program. Even worse, were one Mike Norvell away from being FSU.
I know it's seen as an excuse by most of the fanbase, but I agree 100%. The cheating scandal alone has completely flipped the perception of him and the program and prevented him from playing for more conference titles. I don't think many understand the damage that's done to his image and the stress it's added to also trying to manage a team. None of us can control what happens going forward. If he can't get over the hump, he'll eventually be fired. But I sure as hell hope he can, not just to see the team win, but I think he brings a stability to the program that Meyer couldn't and top tier recruiting and aggressiveness that Tressel lacked.
Yankeescum
Bless you. Coach Day is improving each year. And he is young.
Amen
“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”
Outside of the michigan games, he has been fucking fantastic. And we all know on here what went on with the michigan games. He has made a couple of bad calls in big games, the punt block attempt against Clemson, and letting Jim Knowles to lose us the Georgia game. Those were brutal. There was some bad calls and luck that went our way in those, but we still should have won both.
I feel lucky that Day is our coach.
I know we are all hurt by the Oregon game, but going into a bye, I think that losing there gives our team a chance to galvanize and refocus. I think that a win there gives them a chance to sit around autofellating themselves thinking about how good they are. I think that losing that particular game (the Simmons injury notwithstanding) actually gives us a better chance at winning the national title and completely destroying those bastards up in michigan on our way there.
And fuck michigan.
PD/Brohio, I'm still down pretty bad from Saturday. Please, oh please, come through with a dopamine hit for me. I'm fiending.
I can't believe God gave me a chance to be a Buckeye.
I'm afraid there is only one TRUE and just punishment for cheating and that is to forfeit every game in those 3 years.Ichigan does not get too and win The NC without their Cheating So NCAA do the right thing and show the rest of College Football the consequences of disrespecting the game and the players.
Ohio State Football isnt a matter of life or death,its much more serious than that.
Looks like the serial downvoter has come back from the deep recesses of the sewer where they’ve been lurking.
“Nothing that comes easy is worth a dime.” -Woody
Tbh, I don’t think the DV’er is a cheating troll as much as I think it’s a spoiled buckeye fan that doesn’t think cheating mattered. The loss gave them new life.
Oh, the cheating mattered and is still wrong. But we are Ohio State and should beat every other team every time no matter how much the deck is stacked against us.
And while we’re at it, formicate scum!
Does that mean turn them into insects?
From the 50s sci-fi movie. “Them!”
Formic acid.
Less eloquently than ThemBuckeyes re the scum downvoters, “on their bellies shall they crawl all of their days.”
I have a question for PD and/or Brohio. The Weiss/FBI computer investigation has been going on for ages. It has to be close to a couple years now. There has been very little recent information. No grand jury indictments. No formal charges made by the U of M police, state police or the FBI. Typically when an investigation ends there is no official announcement. There is just silence and is not pursued any further. Are we at that point or is there still behind the scenes activity still related to his unauthorized use of computer equipment?
Abcdesteele
I think this is 22Buck's wheelhouse
vacuuming sucks
Not much of an update, but I believe Matt still lives in Ann Arbor…
Interesting because he’s a coach so not on the move to try and land a different gig from what it seems (which is big because football loves to recycle coaches as much as possible and whatever this is, hasn’t gone away to let that happen). His wife owns a company that I think promotes under funded women’s sports like field hockey and LAX.
His wife has removed her socials on X… which is a big deal considering her line of work and I don’t think she is on any other platform anymore…
Could be a nothing and maybe they just like Ann Arbor… or maybe they can’t move due to the investigation? It has to be an odd spot for Matt to continue to live in and can’t think there is a lot of career options there. I’d tend to believe the have been instructed to stay in some way or (though I still strongly believe he isn’t tied to gambling or money laundering at this point) his accounts are some how locked up with the FBI investigation and they are under some financial freeze? (… I don’t know how FBI investigations work outside of cheesy TV)
Probably no need to include PD and Brohio on the opening post for awhile, right?
Why? Would that make you happy
Huh? I'm referring to no new information being introduced. Does that make you mad?
Dude, you should change your screen name to Ridetheshortbus
What's the difference between a Carp and Jim Harbaugh? One's a scum-sucking bottom feeder and the other is a fish.
To any Michigan fans reading here. This is an example of a loophole that Dan Lanning exploited. As a reminder Stalions/Harbaugh did not find a loophole, they straight up cheated.
https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-mulling-in-season-action-after-oregons-con...
Sadly, I think TCUN fans think they found a loophole. They thought that because the advance scouting wasn't performed by a TCUN staff member it was legal. I think the NCAA reply will be - you can't hire a hit man and get away with murder.
VA_Buck
I think this is one of Stalion's rationalizations......that it was not staff members doing the advanced scouting. But, we know Stalions himself advanced scouted Michigan State (vs CMU) and I thought I read on here that various UM interns working with the football team also advanced scouted? We will know shortly as the 'spreadsheet' apparently had the names of all of the advanced scouts.
Personally, I cannot wait to see the video of the investigative firm videoing the advanced scouts. That is going to be a piece of evidence that will be fun to watch as a picture will be worth a thousand words in this scandal.
That logic will look especially dumb if the NCAA does, in fact, have proof that UM coaches accessed Stalions' advanced scouting footage. That act doesn't stop being advanced scouting when video footage is transferred between computers.
Just like Weiss doesn't get off the hook for accessing data from UM's database.
Just like how insider trading isn't excepted when you illegally act on information from a friend, family member, or casual acquaintance (unless, for some reason, you're in Congress).
Well, except for that one time (at least).
Proud alumnus of the Ohio State Creative Writing MFA Program. Creator of the writing craft site Great Writers Steal.
I got an idea. How about teams like the cheaters up north and the cheaters on the west coast stop trying to find loop holes and play the damn game..... if you need a loop hole you suck and are a cheater...... welcome to the big ten *ichigan junior oregon......
I think we need to separate loop holes here…
Though there is now questions if Dan actually did that on purpose or if he’s making it seem like he did it on purpose because it turned out to be a genius move. I think there is evidence of him saying that he can’t believe they had 12 men on the field to the sideline after the penalty… maybe once it worked and it became a “chess move” he sort of leaned into him being the smartest man a live bit?
That said, even if he 100% did it on purpose… what he did isnt much different than putting one foot out of bounds then recovering a kick that is just laying at the 5 yard line to create a penalty… a running taking a knee at the 2 to bleed the clock instead of walking in the endzone… taking a snap up by 3, on 4th down, but instead of actually punting with 10 seconds to go in the game, just running around before taking the safety… that’s just situational football and using the rule book to your advantage. Were there errors in how the refs handled the last drive, yes… does the rule book need to change to close that specific rule book… also yes…
But it’s not close and shouldn’t be lumped into what Michigan did… it’s not even on the same planet and gives them way, way, way too much credit or completely minimizes what they actually did IMO
Agreed on most of that, especially the part about it being from different planets. But it was an overt and purposeful breaking of the rules because he thought the penalty was worth it. So I think a closer analogy is the "professional" DPI to prevent a touchdown, than the examples you gave which were either unintentional or not actually penalties.
JK.
Interesting read, Jabba.
Another rule change I would like to see: Fumbling into the end zone. The NFL made a rule change after Kenny Stabler intentionally fumbled into the end zone. My suggestion is if a team fumbles into the end zone and is recovered by the offense, the ball is placed at the spot of the fumble. If the defense recovers, the ball comes out to the 20 as usual.
My favorite team? Whoever is playing TTUN.
Damn nothing has come forth this week- I'm getting bored waiting for that CHEATING Cess pool of a program to burn to the ground...
I cannot wait to see Michigan fans down bad again. The thought of them watching their shitty program lose to Ohio State every year for a decade straight, and get absolutely gutted by the NCAA makes me smile. Bad times are coming for that cheating team and scumbag shitty fanbase.
I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people.
Woody Hayes
A decade straight is not nearly long enough…
"When I look in the mirror, I want to take a swing at me."
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
As we look forward to our remaining schedule I am frankly enjoying what SEC teams still have to go through with everyone having at least one loss except Texas. Georgia has Texas, Ole Miss, and Tennessee. Alabama has Tennessee, LSU, and Missouri. Texas has Georgia of course but also Texas A&M plus both Kentucky and Vandy. This is the year that they cannibalize each other.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Now imagine if they played a ninth conference game instead of Mercer or the Citadel or the Arkadelphia School for the Blind in their penultimate game. They would be cannibalizing the hell out of eachother.
Better believe that came up last week in Nashville at the meeting between the B1G and SEC.
I don’t I think they get to 9 until their next TV deal. They’re going to make ESPN pay through their nose to get that.
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
In fairness some of the schools play a P4 out of conference every year. Georgia plays Georgia Tech. South Carolina plays Clemson, Florida plays Florida State and often ends up with either Miami or another P4 like Utah last year and the year before. Alabama almost always has a good P4 as one of their 4 OOC and one their other OOCs comes against higher end G5. When they choose to play those other games only seems to be a pain for some fans. Personally I think it is smart to play a sure win in their next to last regular season game. They get a bump early in the polls from who they play in game 1 or 2 then they get a rest game near the end of the season.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
The SEC had three of their sixteen teams play 2 Power 4 OOC games. The rest all played only nine Power 4 teams, unlike almost everyone in the Big 10 and the Big 12. The ACC also engages in this total cowardice. That is how Clemson plays The Citadel every year before playing South Carolina. It is the biggest bitch move in all of sports. Except for compiling a giant database of the signs of every one of your opponents so that you know all of their plays in advance. That is the bitch move of the century.
Why is it a bitch move? Because we don't like it? Georgia beats the shit out of Clemson. Alabama crushed Wisconsin. Texas destroyed tcun.
The SEC all time owns a 60% winning percentage over the Big Ten regular season. They own a 65% winning percentage in bowl games. This century there have only been 3 years where they have a losing record against the Big Ten. You know, the kinda record we like to brag about over tcun.
I hate the SEC just like everyone else on here. But I am also willing to face facts when they are staring me in the face. I don't buy for one minute that those percentages would change if they added another conference game unless you buy into the idea that their conference is the toughest top to bottom which I have seen many on here argue it isn't. So what if they play a easy OOC game late in the season instead of playing them all in September.
Just because we don't like something doesn't make it wrong or not a smart move.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
I totally understand the reasons that the teams do it. They get an extra home game, money from it, an extra win, but at the expense of fandom. I would still say it is short sighted. TV dollars like the big boy games. They have a harder time selling Alabama playing the Northeastern Chattahoochee School for the People Who Can’t Play Football Good than they do Alabama vs USC. I think that it is a losing bet in terms of money.
Playing only nine power conference teams is a bitch move. It is pure chicken shit. Just because they think it benefits them doesn’t mean that it isn’t cowardly.
Now, this is true.
It's Wednesday...around a month before 90 days is up on the NOA to those Cheaters up north.....and....
Hooverines.....
bump.
Cocaine whites didn't happen. No need for bumps.
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A post on Red Cedar claiming some insight to cheaters says the negotiating team has been told to save the natty at all cost
Of course, but also easier to say on Oct 16th vs. Nov. 22nd when the window to negotiate anything is about to slam shut.
vacuuming sucks
I don't know how the NCAA could justify a punishment, but allow the title to stand.
A post on Red Cedar claiming some insight to bank robbers says the negotiating team has been told to save the stolen money at all cost
I can't believe God gave me a chance to be a Buckeye.
I thought the NCAA doesn’t have jurisdiction over the natty? If that’s the case, then there is nothing for the negotiating team to negotiate for.
*Reckless indifference for TCUN
The NCAA can "not recognize the CFP Championship", and the belief is that the CFP would follow suit if/when the NCAA does that.
vacuuming sucks
You’re right the NCAA can’t take it away… but as Maestro said, it’s finding a way to not let the NCAA domino to fall that would then lead to the playoff committee taking it away. I don’t see a path of that not happening, but essentially the fight to keep it is still with the NCAA if that makes sense
That’s been the obvious sticking point for a while now, and equally obvious that it cannot be allowed.
Like cheating for 17+ holes of golf and claiming the final putt was still legit.
Like cheating on the SAT and still asking to keep the perfect score because they spelled their name right.
Obviously that’s what you want. That’s why you cheated. And that’s why you can’t have it. DUH!
Always bringing gas to cheer us up on a sad bye week
Now i become Boob Salsa, grifter of men.
Methinks Ann Arbor’s army of pimps know that the jig will soon be up. They are tap-dancing on the trapdoor.
Been away for several days; catching up not to difficult. Completely agree on the affirmations of how great our coach is! How do we let him know that rational and reasonable fans think this way? I wish there was some way we could get tens/hundreds of thousands of fans to hand write and mail a letter of support to Coach Day and have the post office deliver them in bags ala Miracle on 34th Street.
Also, on the scandal, no news is.... no news.
Someone not named GareBear should throw the text from all of these threads into chatgpt and ask it fo extract a summary of events and insights. Would be fun.
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Man this would take like 4 weeks.
Pretty quiet this am waiting for the cheaters up north hammer to drop.....
There isn’t going to be much more talked about until Michigan responds…
There are some loose ends out there, especially regarding the financial piece, but someone came in and helped clean that up so you couldn’t track them. It’s clear that Conner was stupid and sloppy with it in the beginning, using BC2 as a company name, letting Blakes name appear on the company documents, etc… but they are financial records and only so much of that is public. I think we’ve taken that about as far as we can through Google searches… there is something there, but that piece needs more than Google to get the full story at this point…
The same could probably be said about most other aspects of this and we just won’t know until the info has to be made public by UM and the NCAA unfortunately
I know PD had a records request for info… Michigan isn’t giving that up regardless of the rules/laws around record sharing. Tom Mars even talked about this awhile ago and how teams are willing to ignore the rules now when it’s beneficial and just make sure their legal team wraps up those documents, those searches, etc with a legal stamp so they don’t have to be released…
The Ravens piece and other things we know about… again won’t be discussed unless there is someone willing to talk. That stuff just isn’t floating around the internet for people to find…
Weiss… it’s an FBI investigation… the records won’t be shared until the investigation is complete. The Ann Arbor police they are working with will just continue to say they are working with the FBI so no leaks there
I think some of the loose lips in Ann Arbor aren’t so loose anymore because of Wardes efforts to figure out who’s lips are loose…
All that said… there isn’t going to be much for about another month. UM appears to be in the path of just riding this out… the only hope to anything new coming out is if Ann Arbor reevaluates that strategy with a loss to Illinois, MSU and Oregon and they need to get this done to start the bowl ban this year with it being clear they are either missing a bowl this year or headed to a Grippo’s Gridiron Classic Bowl
Yes it’s a time of hurry up and wait…fortunately the OSU fanbase is known as one of the most patient and understanding fanbases out there.
For a couple months I’ve sort of sat on some info… mostly because I can’t bring it full circle to truly be something of true confirmation or 100% certainty. However with the news cycle for this story being a bit slow, maybe it’s worth putting out there… plus I think it’s a trail that comes to a complete dead end…
Disclosure… I’m not putting all the details out there to avoid giving up the persons identity. Because I can’t bring it full circle, it might just be a bizarre coincidence so things that would point back to the person are going to be completely left out… it’s just not fair to drag someone’s name into this without being able to absolutely connect the dots…
Also… this doesn’t really help with any action by the NCAA, the penalties… this is completely outside the NCAAs scope with that regard and I am still of the belief that this doesn’t point to any sort of financial crime, but it does *possibly* add clarity to “The Real Totchmans” (Tim Smith) post after the 2021 game basically thanking a friend for coming up with a great idea that had great results (not getting into that too much here as it’s been discussed)…
There is a person that worked at a major program who has a provable direct connection to Conner. In a previous role, he was in charge of finances, donations, working with boosters, fundraising for that program and may have been thought of to become an AD for that program. Now he works for a 3rd party, but basically is in a similar role for UM… giving access to Tim Smith and others. I won’t say how he is connected to Conner… his name or the program he previously worked for… but it’s there…
This could all be a major coincidence, but Conners entire life has been made up of major coincidences at this point that are to overwhelming to ignore… I don’t think this person did anything wrong at the moment, certainly nothing illegal, but I *think* it does provide a *possible* direct link from Conner to Tim Smith, who is widely believed to be Uncle T, who is believed to be The Real Totchman… and when you bump this up to the post from 2021, it starts to make that picture extremely clear and only supports that he was talking about the Advanced Scouting in that post. It just adds to the evidence that Brohio has previously put together linking the LLC under Uncle T, Conner’s LLC, etc. It also explains why The Real Totchman would have this oddly weird, close relationship with an otherwise unknown staffer who typically don’t have that connection…
David Karp?
Not David Karp who The Real Totchman references in that post
J.B. - I am truly enjoying your posts - well thought out and to the point without being wordy.
I am one of those who grew up during the 10 year war! I was taught to hate TCun but respect them. Your post along with everyone else who had posted has reinforced my correct decision to no longer respect TTUn!!!
The bitter part of all this is they have thrown away the Great Rivalry in Sports and they do not give a Damn for their own State of Michigan!!
GO BUCKEYES- BEAT THE HUSKERS!!!
"To have a great life simply follow this rule: Do not bring undue conflict into your life..."
Charlie Baker - OSU - 1986
I get the bit expressed here about how the fact Harbaugh cheated has made a huge difference for Day in terms of his big game record and how we perceive him - and there's some truth to it all. But I think the only game where cheating made the difference between winning and losing was the one two years ago in Columbus. It of course made a gigantic difference there (though the cheating didn't make our D break down repeatedly or cause the 1H false start that turned a possible 7 into 3) - what happened to Harbaugh and TSUN in that semifinal v. TCU just underlines everything: Harbaugh's ho-hum record prior to 2021; his never winning a bowl game at TSUN until last year; his never having top recruiting classes yet somehow turning it around so that a losing season in 2020 becomes Bama-like....They were frauds.
But Day's team got bullied in Ann Arbor in 2021 on top of the cheating, and lost last year to a team whose head coach had been suspended twice in one season for two different rules violations!! "Xichigan Xan," indeed.
I enjoy reading anti-TSUN screeds as much as the next guy, but I do wonder: does anyone at 11W or in the wider Ohio State community really think anything that happens now will make a difference? I'm sorry, but I was at the Sugar Bowl where we beat an SEC team for the first time and I don't care that we later "forfeited" that game because of some tattoos. TCSUN and its community will go to their graves counting 2023 as a national championship and no punishment *now* or in 2025 will erase that.
Beat Michigan!
Um, I disagree wholeheartedly. Of course you’re entitled to your opinion but mines just as valid as yours and I think the cheating absolutely impacted all three games and led to TCUN “title” which will be vacated or forfeited and they can claim it all they want. Everyone will know it’s fraudulent and will call them out on it. And it won’t be counted in ANY official record books. So, yeah, it will be erased…
“Nothing that comes easy is worth a dime.” -Woody
They may go to their graves counting 2023 as a title, but they will also go to their grave knowing the world knows detalis about how they cheated.