Give me an example where they had a chance to “bury” Oregon and Day was timid? They were up 7-0 and had the ball and then Judkins fumbled. They were up 28-22 with the ball, and on 3rd down, Howard dropped the snap.
They converted two fourth downs in the game and were playing aggressively on the last drive to get into reasonable field goal distance.
You could argue that defensively they could’ve blitzed or stunted more when the front 4 wasnt getting pressure. But at least offensively, this wasn’t a team that had a chance for a knockout blow and Day played scared.
I really want to see 3rd down stats I think that and the line developments on both sides of the ball have more to do with match up game results than Day calling the game different than he didn’t against western Michigan. A lot more things work against bad teams
Ryan Day is just John Cooper, but without inheriting a rebuild. He's a great coach if you're happy with 10 win seasons while never winning anything of consequence.
You’re damn right he’s not. Outside of two seasons in the last 22 years, tell me how great Ohio state has been in matchup games ? ‘06 & ‘07 NC , ‘08 & ‘09 USC, ‘13 MSU & Clemson, ‘15 MSU, ‘16 PSU and Clemson playoff blowout loss. If you think this is limited to Ryan Day - just look at the facts. It’s big time college football and everyone has had to deal with it except for Nick Saban’s Alabama.
Our oline can't execute anywhere near consistent enough against good teams. Day recognizes this so the play book shrinks. Opposing Dlines just tee off on us and he abandons the run. But still, I dont care if you have Mike Vick and Barry Sanders back there, if your oline gets blown up over and over, your play call isn't going to matter.
Fix the oline. Until we have an oline that can at least hold their own, let alone dominate, this is what it's going to look like. And that just got a whole bunch harder with Simmons gone.
"Everyone has a plan, 'til they get punched in the mouth."
Oh yeah you’re right - we ran up and down the field and sustained drives all night missing the LT and the RG half the time because our offensive line needs to be fixed. And that a week after they beat up on Iowa’s fundamentally gap sound front (who subsequently annihilated Washington. What are you watching ?
Yeah, we looked great against a very good Iowa squad. No doubt. Looked pretty good in the 1st half too. How'd they do in the 2nd half on Saturday rushing the ball? I'm guessing it was less than 40 yds. Inconsistent.
"Everyone has a plan, 'til they get punched in the mouth."
Our running game looked very good against Iowa's defense. Iowa's defense was good. Very disciplined experienced Hawkeye unit. It was a compliment to OSU's Oline that they were able to control the game against a good Iowa defense. Very strange to me that that would be met with criticism.
"Everyone has a plan, 'til they get punched in the mouth."
The reason Evan Stewart had a good game is because Dillon Gabriel threw the football well, and the reason Gabriel threw the football well is because Oregon's o-line won the LOS. I think his point is that Day has built this program from the outside in, prioritizing the skill positions, but the line of scrimmage is where these games are won or lost, and Ohio State, on defense, lost the LOS... again. Is that Day's fault? It would depend on your point of view, I suppose, but if Knowles and LJ have truly been at odds for nearly 3 seasons now about whether or not to deploy the 'jack,' how to rotate d-linemen, and whether or not 4 guys with hands in the dirt is mandatory, then that would absolutely go back to the head coach for allowing it to happen.
None of which matters now. Just fix it and win out, at least through the B1G championship game.
I won’t ever give all the credit for winning to any specific part of a team. In todays game, if I did, it would be qb play but even then I’d only give most of the credit to them but not all. LOS play is Uber important! Always has been and always will be but I still won’t give it all the credit tho. IMO, you need a complimentary team with good enough play at each level. You can have an elite part that makes up for another part with shortcomings but you don’t need any part to be elite if they’re all good enough. If you don’t think receivers are an integral part, try imagining 21/22 Georgia without Brock bowers. Elite defense that needed one offensive weapon to bail them out more than once. USC has had great QB’s and receivers but lacked the LOS play. OSU is better than Oregon as a whole but they were good enough at each level to win. You need all the parts to win it all.
OL is a problem. Trust me you will notice it fairly soon. When Simmons went down, Zen's blocking was awful. He has been in the program for 4 years. The offensive line is clearly poorly coached. The RG play was also awful. RT play has also been average to bad.
We were an OPI call from winning. This site really goes to shit after losses. Day isn’t losing games because he’s not a dog, the team isn’t tough, he doesn’t run special plays, or because he changes his mentality or whatever other nonsense people wanna say.
We have lost these games because the defense isn’t getting stops late in games, the pass rush isn’t winning against top olines, and our oline/run game struggle. 2020 Clemson we got defensive stops, 2022 Penn State our defense clamped down in the 4th quarter. 2022 & 2023 Notre Dame our defense got stops when we needed them in the 4th. Fix those issues and these games will change
I agree with your last paragraph, but it's Ryan Day's team and his responsibility to fix it. I don't think it's fair to absolve Day because his defense/OL/etc. failed in critical situations (as has happened in each of these games).
These issues have been happening since the 2019 Clemson loss so we are pushing 5 years with nothing to show for it, aside from a 2020 B1G CG win and a beat down of Clemson. It's beyond time.
I think Day can still get it done, but he doesn't have another 3 years of struggling to hire the right coordinators. This will be his best chance.
Day is not remotely on the hot seat. This comment is perfectly example of the stupidity here. Go find me a coach that is good in top 5 games. There answer is none are. Kirby is the best and his record is carried by 2021 & 2022. And then go find me a defense that has shut down top offenses consistently. Every CFP team since it started has had their defense shredded in big games. The lone exception is 2023 Michigan. Who if not for Seth’s snapping errors probably loses the Rose Bowl cause their defense was struggling against Bama’s run game
I posted this in another thread, but Day’s average final AP ranking across seasons is 3.75. That’s a half spot better than Urban’s and roughly 3 spots superior to Tress.
Just so i'm clear here, if OSU makes the FG against UGA, which Day had no control over, then everything else is fine? Day would have 1 and Smart would have one. Oh and Day would have done it without almost any of his offensive weapons at the end of the game.
This missed FG against UGA is becoming Bill Buchner 1986 level craze.
My point is every coach isn’t that good in top 5 games that actually end up being true top 5 games. Not games where you beat #5 ND and they end 10-3 or 9-4. Most coaches’ top 5 records are bad and carried by a season or two. Like Tressel had one win against a team that finished top 5 and it was 2002 Miami. Urban only had three. Two were 2014 CFP & 2016 Oklahoma. Kirby only has 2021 & 2022 and nothing else. A lot of those losses being complete blowouts. There’s no coach out there good in talent equated games
Georgia podcasters brought up this week since they’re going to Austin that Kirby smart is winless in away games against top 10 teams. His record against bama is another thing. And hes the highest paid coach with the most success and 2 NC’s. Dipshits with laptops can find any bad stat if they look for them.
Agree with this, I like the approach of just having the block O on the board in the Woody. Then when they said it was turned to Oregon before that game I immediately thought "here we go again"...and we beat ourselves like usual.
Matchups are everything in football. This is a bad take.
Offense played well enough to win - not perfect by any means - but good enough to win. Our BEST starting field position was the 26 yard line. They still managed to put up 467 yards and 31 points. Meanwhile Oregon had multiple short fields to work with.
Defense needed 1 or 2 more stops and didnt get it.
Oregon won the first matchup vs OSU on their home field using tricky tactics in key moments. They were fortunate to win that game. Perhaps the football Gods gave them the nod because they got screwed out of an INT on the first drive. Folks need to stop acting like OSU got its doors blown off. Sure, they lost. By one point. On the road. To the #3 team in the Country. Move on....
Dillon Gabriel played the game of his career on Saturday night. We will see what he is made of when they go to AA in a few weeks and face real D-line pressure, on the road, in a hostile environment. Granted they'll only have to score 10 points to win, but Gabriel will not enjoy his visit to AA.
OSU can beat Oregon when they play them again. This loss stings, but all of the 2024 goals are still in front of this Buckeye team.
I don't know as much as any of the coaches in the building making millions to coach the team, but I know I'm sick as shit of hearing "the defense just needed 1 or 2 more stops."
We hear that garbage every year... When are they going to get the 1 or 2 more stops? They needed those 1 or 2 more stops against the rival, Georgia, Clemson, Oregon, and Oregon... In every loss it seems like we fans are saying "if the defense could just get that 1 or 2 more stops."
Where are those stops and when does the defense get them against a top ranked opponent?
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Agree , Day keeps doing this with no killer instinct to bury a team when the time comes.
Give me an example where they had a chance to “bury” Oregon and Day was timid? They were up 7-0 and had the ball and then Judkins fumbled. They were up 28-22 with the ball, and on 3rd down, Howard dropped the snap.
They converted two fourth downs in the game and were playing aggressively on the last drive to get into reasonable field goal distance.
You could argue that defensively they could’ve blitzed or stunted more when the front 4 wasnt getting pressure. But at least offensively, this wasn’t a team that had a chance for a knockout blow and Day played scared.
I really want to see 3rd down stats I think that and the line developments on both sides of the ball have more to do with match up game results than Day calling the game different than he didn’t against western Michigan. A lot more things work against bad teams
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Ryan Day is just John Cooper, but without inheriting a rebuild. He's a great coach if you're happy with 10 win seasons while never winning anything of consequence.
In 13 seasons Cooper lost less than 3 games 4x. In 5 completed seasons Day has lost less than 3 games 5x. I think you’re not onto something.
You’re damn right he’s not. Outside of two seasons in the last 22 years, tell me how great Ohio state has been in matchup games ? ‘06 & ‘07 NC , ‘08 & ‘09 USC, ‘13 MSU & Clemson, ‘15 MSU, ‘16 PSU and Clemson playoff blowout loss. If you think this is limited to Ryan Day - just look at the facts. It’s big time college football and everyone has had to deal with it except for Nick Saban’s Alabama.
Our oline can't execute anywhere near consistent enough against good teams. Day recognizes this so the play book shrinks. Opposing Dlines just tee off on us and he abandons the run. But still, I dont care if you have Mike Vick and Barry Sanders back there, if your oline gets blown up over and over, your play call isn't going to matter.
Fix the oline. Until we have an oline that can at least hold their own, let alone dominate, this is what it's going to look like. And that just got a whole bunch harder with Simmons gone.
"Everyone has a plan, 'til they get punched in the mouth."
You watched the game Saturday and your takeaway was that our oline is the problem?
Ridethedaytrain - DV all you want but how many yards did we rush for in the 2nd half? Yes, the O-line was problem 1b on Saturday (Dline was 1a).
"Everyone has a plan, 'til they get punched in the mouth."
Oh yeah you’re right - we ran up and down the field and sustained drives all night missing the LT and the RG half the time because our offensive line needs to be fixed. And that a week after they beat up on Iowa’s fundamentally gap sound front (who subsequently annihilated Washington. What are you watching ?
Maybe you overlooked the word inconsistent.
Yeah, we looked great against a very good Iowa squad. No doubt. Looked pretty good in the 1st half too. How'd they do in the 2nd half on Saturday rushing the ball? I'm guessing it was less than 40 yds. Inconsistent.
"Everyone has a plan, 'til they get punched in the mouth."
Buckets - I have not heard Iowa and very good in the same sentence in a long time, in fact, never.
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Our running game looked very good against Iowa's defense. Iowa's defense was good. Very disciplined experienced Hawkeye unit. It was a compliment to OSU's Oline that they were able to control the game against a good Iowa defense. Very strange to me that that would be met with criticism.
"Everyone has a plan, 'til they get punched in the mouth."
He thinks WR win games.
So in your opinion, Evan Stewart wasn’t oregons biggest weapon and had little effect since he’s a WR?
The reason Evan Stewart had a good game is because Dillon Gabriel threw the football well, and the reason Gabriel threw the football well is because Oregon's o-line won the LOS. I think his point is that Day has built this program from the outside in, prioritizing the skill positions, but the line of scrimmage is where these games are won or lost, and Ohio State, on defense, lost the LOS... again. Is that Day's fault? It would depend on your point of view, I suppose, but if Knowles and LJ have truly been at odds for nearly 3 seasons now about whether or not to deploy the 'jack,' how to rotate d-linemen, and whether or not 4 guys with hands in the dirt is mandatory, then that would absolutely go back to the head coach for allowing it to happen.
None of which matters now. Just fix it and win out, at least through the B1G championship game.
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I won’t ever give all the credit for winning to any specific part of a team. In todays game, if I did, it would be qb play but even then I’d only give most of the credit to them but not all. LOS play is Uber important! Always has been and always will be but I still won’t give it all the credit tho. IMO, you need a complimentary team with good enough play at each level. You can have an elite part that makes up for another part with shortcomings but you don’t need any part to be elite if they’re all good enough. If you don’t think receivers are an integral part, try imagining 21/22 Georgia without Brock bowers. Elite defense that needed one offensive weapon to bail them out more than once. USC has had great QB’s and receivers but lacked the LOS play. OSU is better than Oregon as a whole but they were good enough at each level to win. You need all the parts to win it all.
OL is a problem. Trust me you will notice it fairly soon. When Simmons went down, Zen's blocking was awful. He has been in the program for 4 years. The offensive line is clearly poorly coached. The RG play was also awful. RT play has also been average to bad.
We were an OPI call from winning. This site really goes to shit after losses. Day isn’t losing games because he’s not a dog, the team isn’t tough, he doesn’t run special plays, or because he changes his mentality or whatever other nonsense people wanna say.
We have lost these games because the defense isn’t getting stops late in games, the pass rush isn’t winning against top olines, and our oline/run game struggle. 2020 Clemson we got defensive stops, 2022 Penn State our defense clamped down in the 4th quarter. 2022 & 2023 Notre Dame our defense got stops when we needed them in the 4th. Fix those issues and these games will change
I agree with your last paragraph, but it's Ryan Day's team and his responsibility to fix it. I don't think it's fair to absolve Day because his defense/OL/etc. failed in critical situations (as has happened in each of these games).
These issues have been happening since the 2019 Clemson loss so we are pushing 5 years with nothing to show for it, aside from a 2020 B1G CG win and a beat down of Clemson. It's beyond time.
I think Day can still get it done, but he doesn't have another 3 years of struggling to hire the right coordinators. This will be his best chance.
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Day is not remotely on the hot seat. This comment is perfectly example of the stupidity here. Go find me a coach that is good in top 5 games. There answer is none are. Kirby is the best and his record is carried by 2021 & 2022. And then go find me a defense that has shut down top offenses consistently. Every CFP team since it started has had their defense shredded in big games. The lone exception is 2023 Michigan. Who if not for Seth’s snapping errors probably loses the Rose Bowl cause their defense was struggling against Bama’s run game
I posted this in another thread, but Day’s average final AP ranking across seasons is 3.75. That’s a half spot better than Urban’s and roughly 3 spots superior to Tress.
So what if it's carried by 21 and 22? He won 2 NCs. What point are you trying to say?
I'd love if Day had a couple years where his team did well against top 5 competition
Just so i'm clear here, if OSU makes the FG against UGA, which Day had no control over, then everything else is fine? Day would have 1 and Smart would have one. Oh and Day would have done it without almost any of his offensive weapons at the end of the game.
This missed FG against UGA is becoming Bill Buchner 1986 level craze.
That FG was way too far. It was an extremely low percentage kick. Day needed to get closer and make it a more manageable attmept
My point is every coach isn’t that good in top 5 games that actually end up being true top 5 games. Not games where you beat #5 ND and they end 10-3 or 9-4. Most coaches’ top 5 records are bad and carried by a season or two. Like Tressel had one win against a team that finished top 5 and it was 2002 Miami. Urban only had three. Two were 2014 CFP & 2016 Oklahoma. Kirby only has 2021 & 2022 and nothing else. A lot of those losses being complete blowouts. There’s no coach out there good in talent equated games
Georgia podcasters brought up this week since they’re going to Austin that Kirby smart is winless in away games against top 10 teams. His record against bama is another thing. And hes the highest paid coach with the most success and 2 NC’s. Dipshits with laptops can find any bad stat if they look for them.
Kirby hasn’t lost to any team, except Alabama, in like 4-5 years.. Georgia’s dominance over everyone else is absolutely insane
Nick Saban treats these games as a normal game. I think Day could take a page from the Goat.
Agree with this, I like the approach of just having the block O on the board in the Woody. Then when they said it was turned to Oregon before that game I immediately thought "here we go again"...and we beat ourselves like usual.
You don't think Ohio State doesn't treat Penn State as matchup games? Mmmkay.
Matchups are everything in football. This is a bad take.
Offense played well enough to win - not perfect by any means - but good enough to win. Our BEST starting field position was the 26 yard line. They still managed to put up 467 yards and 31 points. Meanwhile Oregon had multiple short fields to work with.
Defense needed 1 or 2 more stops and didnt get it.
Defense needed 1 or 2 more stops and didn't get it? Could be said for the last 4 years. We will do better next time is not good enough.
Oregon won the first matchup vs OSU on their home field using tricky tactics in key moments. They were fortunate to win that game. Perhaps the football Gods gave them the nod because they got screwed out of an INT on the first drive. Folks need to stop acting like OSU got its doors blown off. Sure, they lost. By one point. On the road. To the #3 team in the Country. Move on....
Dillon Gabriel played the game of his career on Saturday night. We will see what he is made of when they go to AA in a few weeks and face real D-line pressure, on the road, in a hostile environment. Granted they'll only have to score 10 points to win, but Gabriel will not enjoy his visit to AA.
OSU can beat Oregon when they play them again. This loss stings, but all of the 2024 goals are still in front of this Buckeye team.
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I don't know as much as any of the coaches in the building making millions to coach the team, but I know I'm sick as shit of hearing "the defense just needed 1 or 2 more stops."
We hear that garbage every year... When are they going to get the 1 or 2 more stops? They needed those 1 or 2 more stops against the rival, Georgia, Clemson, Oregon, and Oregon... In every loss it seems like we fans are saying "if the defense could just get that 1 or 2 more stops."
Where are those stops and when does the defense get them against a top ranked opponent?
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