Maybe Danielson still thinks Sonny Styles is a safety and doesn't realize he's a LB? Only explanation I can think of for why he kept saying "Ohio State's 4-2-5 defense" even when the team had Simon, Styles, and Reese.
And can they please stop switching to the drone in between every play? I’m tired of that view from outside the south stands. Let’s watch them line up, please.
I imagine both play a role. With Siereveld’s emergence and Hizman having a year starting under his belt I think the depth on the interior allows Montgomery to redshirt
Thurman missed some blocks against Marshall and his snap counts the following two games have reflected that. Bennett Christian playing more than Thurman probably wasn't on anyone's bingo card. Really hope he can keep progressing; there's a role for him if he can get it figured out.
I was kind of surprised at the WR rotation. I assumed it was a 4 guys/3 spots sort of deal where without Tate, they'd just slide Egbuka outside and then roll with JJ/Egbuka/Inniss - but Rodgers has clearly impressed enough behind the scenes to force his way in to that top group. And while I'm not breaking down film of route-running or perimeter blocking, it felt like he did his job solidly enough even though he only got a couple passes thrown his way.
Hicks not seeing the field at all until garbage time makes me believe he doesn't really have a set role. Iowa is probably the team where the Bucks will spend the most time with 3 LB's, but they just didn't. So if he didn't get any run here, it seems unlikely he's going to get more run in non-Iowa games where they spend more time in their usual 2 LB defense.
I said on a post before the game that there is absolutely no way Ohio State can take Egbuka out of the slot he is Howard’s number one guy on 3rd Downs etc. Plus his run blocking there is critical. He is way to valuable there and that of course was proven right with the total catches and TD’s. Rodgers played like 41 snaps and had 1 catch pretty much Julian Fleming like! Definitely missed Tate in that spot!
Seems like we could’ve played more depth in the fourth quarter. Will Howard and the offensive starters were in a series too long. Wish guys on D like Kayden McDonald and Malik Hartford would get more snaps. They need more work in case of injuries at those positions, and frankly KMac just deserves it from what I’ve seen.
Seems like we could’ve played more depth in the fourth quarter. Will Howard and the offensive starters were in a series too long. Wish guys on D like Kayden McDonald and Malik Hartford would get more snaps. They need more work in case of injuries at those positions, and frankly KMac just deserves it from what I’ve seen.
There were many in the game threads pissed we put our second team defense in before Iowa pulled its starters. This reflects the opposite
Too much is getting made of the backups not playing. Dumb clock rules greatly shorten the number of plays being run compared to previous seasons, and teams rarely make entire line changes where every single starter goes out and is replaced with backups at the same time. On defense, they were rotating quite a bit, as none of the starters played more than 40 snaps. It was 21-0 in the middle of the 3rd, and 28-0 to start the 4th. It's not like this was 35-0 at halftime.
On offense, they're already rotating RBs and Peoples plays a lot for a 3rd stringer. 3 TEs are getting double digit snaps, and Inniss got 21 snaps as the #4 WR even though they're often running 2 TE sets. It was only the 3rd game with the full OL healthy and first that they decided on 1 RG. They need snaps to keep getting better.
This isn't an issue. Against a decent B10 opponent, you're not sitting guys at 21-0, especially after a messy first half. Even with all the experience, you're still building a team and setting lineups to play your hardest games. You can't be constantly worried about building next years team in game 5 this year. If backups are getting playing time, it's the cherry on top of a good win.
Dumb clock rules greatly shorten the number of plays being run compared to previous seasons
The clock rules didn’t change anything. Literally the only change from 2022 to 2023 was the clock doesn’t stop after 1st downs. It stopped for 2-4 seconds most times anyway. It’s barely affected the game. People just bitch about it cause they hate change. 2022 has 130 plays per game. 2023 had 128.
We were up 35-7 with 8 minutes left in the game when Day put in the starting offense for another series. Just preserving the health of key starters like Howard, Judkins, Simmons, etc warranted the second team. Devin Brown obviously needs more reps in case he’s called upon to win a game. No reason Judkins needed carries and hits on that drive. Plus it is important to give up-and-coming guys more reps. That’ll be obvious when inevitable injuries hit and when next season arrives and we all expect the same greatness we’re seeing now.
Iowa was the closest thing to a 4 quarter game they’ve had. I think they played the starters a drive or 2 longer in anticipation of Oregon being a close game. You can’t simulate that in practice.
Ok so what happens when they do have to use the starters all 4 quarters and the first time you play them that deep in a game is when you HAVE too.. not doing that before seems pretty STUPID to me but then most of the comments display a real knack for posting stupid shit
I'm not seeing why Innis isn't playing more. When he's in, he makes an impact. Is it just that he's behind Egbuka? We tried to get Marv in more situations outside, slot and all over the field last year. Would figure they'd do the same with Emeka. I trust the coaches, but I'm confused.
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I mean, they see the group in practice every day, and probably award guys with playing time in those roles, knowing that everyone in that room has talent. Remember, BI didn't enroll until summer last year, so he's only had one off-season here. Rodgers has stuck around, kept his head down, and worked hard. We only know a very small sliver of what the pecking order is, and can try to read between the lines when it comes to 4th, 5th, 6th, guys etc., but the staff knows and are going to do what's best for the team and the guys in the position room.
I agree. It wouldn't surprise me if this year is different than recent past, where they're rewarding practice intensity and productivity more than preseason or early season hierarchy. With a team with extraordinary depth of talent, I think it could pay off in the long run.
I wonder if Siereveld was dinged up, or if Tshabola just had a much better week of practice leading up to Iowa? I was still expecting to see them both trading reps.
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This surprised me, also. I wondered if they wanted more bulk at RG for Iowa or if all of those snaps and accolades from last week for Siereveld were meant to "remind" Tshabola to keep working hard. (sometimes I tend to over-think things). :)
If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.
Or they just want to get Siereveld experience at the second position for which he is the primary backup. Assuming that if either guard goes down he goes in.
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Keinholz probably. Ballard could - he only has one year of eligibility remaining. Maybe Antwi with two years left. The only other possibility on your list is Hicks, but if he wanted to transfer he should’ve shut it down before the Iowa game so he could transfer w/ two years still eligible. I don’t know about Bonsu.
I’m not talking about midseason transfers. This was a post made about after the season transfers. I highly doubt anyone is transferring mid season in the middle of a national championship run.
CSH almost certainly is transferring considering he’s third string and we are bringing in the #1 and #2 cbs this year. Thurmans basically been dropped to fourth in the pecking order and is a Georgia kid so I could see him wanting to transfer closer to home. Same thing with noland except he’s #5 in the pecking order and behind a fellow true freshman. Montgomery since he didn’t get any second team snaps and might be on the third team oline at this point.
CSH is a starter at either CB or nickel next year.
Thurman will play a lot next year, he just hasn’t picked up the speed of the college game yet.
Noland could be 1 or 2 next year depending on development, injuries, etc. Being fifth this year means nothing. I’d put Sayin at starter next year with Noland backup, but you never know what will happen (Cardale). Brown transfers.
Montgomery just needs more time. OL takes time to develop. No guarantee he would get a better chance anywhere else. Hinzman was a starter last year and isn’t starting now. Why don’t you think he would transfer?
I don’t get how you can say kienholtz is a maybe and noland isnt?!? There’s zero chance we are keeping both and a more likely chance we lose both. We got lucky but no other team in college football has a qb room like us and we won’t have the same depth next year is a guarantee. Antwi and Ballard I would be shocked not transferring because elite recruits almost always want playing time by their last year. I don’t get how you are saying no or maybe to all of the guys I listed. Do you just think we aren’t going to see any guys transfer?
CSH being a former top rated Texas kid and getting zero snaps in a game is the most obvious one. I don’t know what to tell you if you can’t see that. The other three are arguable I’d say, but CSH is almost a certainty. I don’t know how you can say he’s starting next year when he is behind Scott, Mathews and styles right now? Makes no sense and that’s not even factoring Igbinosun could come back for all we know
I would say that barring some major changes Keinholz, Noland, Ballard, Antwi and Hicks would be foolish not to go. Devin Brown too unless he thinks he can definitely beat out Julian Sayin, which seems unlikely.
With Julian Sayin seeming to have a substantial lead over Keinholz and Noland and with Tavien St Clair coming in, there doesn't seem to be a likely path to playing time for either of them here, ever.
Ballard and Hicks are highly rated recruits who just haven't clicked here and would likely benefit from a change. Antwi has already been passed by younger players and is an obvious candidate to go. Bryson Rodgers is also a possible transfer for this reason, but he at least has some hope of playing time.
With all the DB's leaving the DB room is thin with experienced players and I could see CSH and Bonsu either staying or going.
Powers is getting some playing time and could very well compete for a starting job next year, or at least as a 3rd linebacker/top backup.
I see no reason for Montgomery to transfer. Several Olineman will be leaving and he's still young for an OL.
Thurman is hard to figure. He looked like a possible starter in preseason but his playing time has really fallen off. There might be hidden injury reasons or he might be in danger of going down the Ballard/Hicks path of being a highly rated recruit who just hasn't clicked.
I don’t mind the speculation in general if it’s level headed. I’m just not sure you can disagree amicably which is why I stopped engaging you.
Using one game as evidence without considering the multitude of variables is where I think you’re mistaken. I think you’re wrong about who will transfer. No big deal. You think I’m wrong too. Good on you.
I don’t know where I wasn’t amicable until the previous poster made it a moral argument? The only person I used one game as an example was Montgomery who didn’t get second team snaps this game and I listed him as probable and conceded it was just speculation/gut feeling on my part. Everyone else I used the entire season up to this point. So I’m not sure where you are getting the point of “using one game” from I just think you clearly had nothing you could refute after I showed how ignorant you were when you claimed CSH was in line to start next year.
It’s fine though. We can agree to disagree since you obviously don’t follow OSU football closely enough to know what you are talking about.
Exactly. Have no substance to your argument to refute me so you have to resort to crying and complaining. Thank you for making my point of showing you have nothing to add.
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Danielson was confused about who our nickelback was apparently.
Maybe Danielson still thinks Sonny Styles is a safety and doesn't realize he's a LB? Only explanation I can think of for why he kept saying "Ohio State's 4-2-5 defense" even when the team had Simon, Styles, and Reese.
They 100% do. Brad even said at one point he is playing a linebacker safety hybrid this year. Which just isn’t true.
That was funny. I don't expect commentators to know the 5th-string guard's name, but geez, do some basic research.
Danielson was probably watching the bama game in between plays.
And can they please stop switching to the drone in between every play? I’m tired of that view from outside the south stands. Let’s watch them line up, please.
Hmm
Hancock should be nice and rested up after these last 2 games. He's going to be huge this weekend!
Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win.
Yep, I don't think we'll be in many 3-linebacker sets this weekend.
I imagine Montgomery is probably redshirting
Or just continuing to slide down the depth charge. 6th lineman as true frosh last year playing in Bison package.
mtrotb
I imagine both play a role. With Siereveld’s emergence and Hizman having a year starting under his belt I think the depth on the interior allows Montgomery to redshirt
Thurman missed some blocks against Marshall and his snap counts the following two games have reflected that. Bennett Christian playing more than Thurman probably wasn't on anyone's bingo card. Really hope he can keep progressing; there's a role for him if he can get it figured out.
That’s frustrating. He’s got outstanding potential as a pass threat but man he either can’t find a guy to block or whiffs
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I was kind of surprised at the WR rotation. I assumed it was a 4 guys/3 spots sort of deal where without Tate, they'd just slide Egbuka outside and then roll with JJ/Egbuka/Inniss - but Rodgers has clearly impressed enough behind the scenes to force his way in to that top group. And while I'm not breaking down film of route-running or perimeter blocking, it felt like he did his job solidly enough even though he only got a couple passes thrown his way.
Hicks not seeing the field at all until garbage time makes me believe he doesn't really have a set role. Iowa is probably the team where the Bucks will spend the most time with 3 LB's, but they just didn't. So if he didn't get any run here, it seems unlikely he's going to get more run in non-Iowa games where they spend more time in their usual 2 LB defense.
I said on a post before the game that there is absolutely no way Ohio State can take Egbuka out of the slot he is Howard’s number one guy on 3rd Downs etc. Plus his run blocking there is critical. He is way to valuable there and that of course was proven right with the total catches and TD’s. Rodgers played like 41 snaps and had 1 catch pretty much Julian Fleming like! Definitely missed Tate in that spot!
Artthedart
Did Egbuka play any reps at Y or Z? Or were all of his snaps from the slot position?
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People just gotta accept Hicks isn’t very good and won’t be anything for us unless he gets moved to the dline and is incredible there.
I think he is too small for a DE
follick
Seems like we could’ve played more depth in the fourth quarter. Will Howard and the offensive starters were in a series too long. Wish guys on D like Kayden McDonald and Malik Hartford would get more snaps. They need more work in case of injuries at those positions, and frankly KMac just deserves it from what I’ve seen.
Especially when you’re up by 4-5 TDs - these reps are so valuable for the backups and 3rd string
JTNYC
There were many in the game threads pissed we put our second team defense in before Iowa pulled its starters. This reflects the opposite
Too much is getting made of the backups not playing. Dumb clock rules greatly shorten the number of plays being run compared to previous seasons, and teams rarely make entire line changes where every single starter goes out and is replaced with backups at the same time. On defense, they were rotating quite a bit, as none of the starters played more than 40 snaps. It was 21-0 in the middle of the 3rd, and 28-0 to start the 4th. It's not like this was 35-0 at halftime.
On offense, they're already rotating RBs and Peoples plays a lot for a 3rd stringer. 3 TEs are getting double digit snaps, and Inniss got 21 snaps as the #4 WR even though they're often running 2 TE sets. It was only the 3rd game with the full OL healthy and first that they decided on 1 RG. They need snaps to keep getting better.
This isn't an issue. Against a decent B10 opponent, you're not sitting guys at 21-0, especially after a messy first half. Even with all the experience, you're still building a team and setting lineups to play your hardest games. You can't be constantly worried about building next years team in game 5 this year. If backups are getting playing time, it's the cherry on top of a good win.
The clock rules didn’t change anything. Literally the only change from 2022 to 2023 was the clock doesn’t stop after 1st downs. It stopped for 2-4 seconds most times anyway. It’s barely affected the game. People just bitch about it cause they hate change. 2022 has 130 plays per game. 2023 had 128.
We were up 35-7 with 8 minutes left in the game when Day put in the starting offense for another series. Just preserving the health of key starters like Howard, Judkins, Simmons, etc warranted the second team. Devin Brown obviously needs more reps in case he’s called upon to win a game. No reason Judkins needed carries and hits on that drive. Plus it is important to give up-and-coming guys more reps. That’ll be obvious when inevitable injuries hit and when next season arrives and we all expect the same greatness we’re seeing now.
I think guys want stats, too. Especially when you're splitting RB reps.
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Iowa was the closest thing to a 4 quarter game they’ve had. I think they played the starters a drive or 2 longer in anticipation of Oregon being a close game. You can’t simulate that in practice.
Seems like Kayden McDonald makes a nice play or two every time he's out there. Agree he should get more plays.
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I wondered that for a moment, but then thought Day wanted to starters ready for a full four quarters next week.
VA_Buck
Saved me the trouble of posting this. These guys are going to be very important next year.
Bobcat66
Ok so what happens when they do have to use the starters all 4 quarters and the first time you play them that deep in a game is when you HAVE too.. not doing that before seems pretty STUPID to me but then most of the comments display a real knack for posting stupid shit
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I'm not seeing why Innis isn't playing more. When he's in, he makes an impact. Is it just that he's behind Egbuka? We tried to get Marv in more situations outside, slot and all over the field last year. Would figure they'd do the same with Emeka. I trust the coaches, but I'm confused.
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Howard may just feel more comfortable with Egbuka in the slot as his safety net. I agree though, I cannot wait for Inniss to break through.
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I mean, they see the group in practice every day, and probably award guys with playing time in those roles, knowing that everyone in that room has talent. Remember, BI didn't enroll until summer last year, so he's only had one off-season here. Rodgers has stuck around, kept his head down, and worked hard. We only know a very small sliver of what the pecking order is, and can try to read between the lines when it comes to 4th, 5th, 6th, guys etc., but the staff knows and are going to do what's best for the team and the guys in the position room.
How long has that van been there?
I agree. It wouldn't surprise me if this year is different than recent past, where they're rewarding practice intensity and productivity more than preseason or early season hierarchy. With a team with extraordinary depth of talent, I think it could pay off in the long run.
I wonder if Siereveld was dinged up, or if Tshabola just had a much better week of practice leading up to Iowa? I was still expecting to see them both trading reps.
"College football cannot be explained by science or religion, which is why it remains perfect." ~ Ramzy Nasrallah
This surprised me, also. I wondered if they wanted more bulk at RG for Iowa or if all of those snaps and accolades from last week for Siereveld were meant to "remind" Tshabola to keep working hard. (sometimes I tend to over-think things). :)
If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.
Or they just want to get Siereveld experience at the second position for which he is the primary backup. Assuming that if either guard goes down he goes in.
Pretty sure he went in at RG and Padilla played LG.
Hmm
Bonsu still on the team?
He's somewhere 5-7 on the depth for Safeties. Just hard to get on the field that far down the pecking order.
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Malone must had a bad week in practice....didn't fit into the "rotation". HAH
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I can already see a handful of former highly rated guys down in the pecking order who are going to transfer. Competition is tough at TOSU!
Just out of curiosity, who are you thinking?
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CSH, Bonsu, kienholtz, Ballard and Kojo as very likely. Then probably transferring I’d say Thurman, Noland, Montgomery, Hicks and powers
Keinholz probably. Ballard could - he only has one year of eligibility remaining. Maybe Antwi with two years left. The only other possibility on your list is Hicks, but if he wanted to transfer he should’ve shut it down before the Iowa game so he could transfer w/ two years still eligible. I don’t know about Bonsu.
CSH, Thurman, Montgomery, Noland, no.
Hmm
I’m not talking about midseason transfers. This was a post made about after the season transfers. I highly doubt anyone is transferring mid season in the middle of a national championship run.
CSH almost certainly is transferring considering he’s third string and we are bringing in the #1 and #2 cbs this year. Thurmans basically been dropped to fourth in the pecking order and is a Georgia kid so I could see him wanting to transfer closer to home. Same thing with noland except he’s #5 in the pecking order and behind a fellow true freshman. Montgomery since he didn’t get any second team snaps and might be on the third team oline at this point.
Neither am I.
Hmm
I don’t get how you can say kienholtz is a maybe and noland isnt?!? There’s zero chance we are keeping both and a more likely chance we lose both. We got lucky but no other team in college football has a qb room like us and we won’t have the same depth next year is a guarantee. Antwi and Ballard I would be shocked not transferring because elite recruits almost always want playing time by their last year. I don’t get how you are saying no or maybe to all of the guys I listed. Do you just think we aren’t going to see any guys transfer?
CSH being a former top rated Texas kid and getting zero snaps in a game is the most obvious one. I don’t know what to tell you if you can’t see that. The other three are arguable I’d say, but CSH is almost a certainty. I don’t know how you can say he’s starting next year when he is behind Scott, Mathews and styles right now? Makes no sense and that’s not even factoring Igbinosun could come back for all we know
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Hmm
I would say that barring some major changes Keinholz, Noland, Ballard, Antwi and Hicks would be foolish not to go. Devin Brown too unless he thinks he can definitely beat out Julian Sayin, which seems unlikely.
With Julian Sayin seeming to have a substantial lead over Keinholz and Noland and with Tavien St Clair coming in, there doesn't seem to be a likely path to playing time for either of them here, ever.
Ballard and Hicks are highly rated recruits who just haven't clicked here and would likely benefit from a change. Antwi has already been passed by younger players and is an obvious candidate to go. Bryson Rodgers is also a possible transfer for this reason, but he at least has some hope of playing time.
With all the DB's leaving the DB room is thin with experienced players and I could see CSH and Bonsu either staying or going.
Powers is getting some playing time and could very well compete for a starting job next year, or at least as a 3rd linebacker/top backup.
I see no reason for Montgomery to transfer. Several Olineman will be leaving and he's still young for an OL.
Thurman is hard to figure. He looked like a possible starter in preseason but his playing time has really fallen off. There might be hidden injury reasons or he might be in danger of going down the Ballard/Hicks path of being a highly rated recruit who just hasn't clicked.
follick
This is some offseason blathering that has no place in the here and now, unless one of them actually pulls the trigger. Be better
Dude it’s a message board. They are meant for speculation and players get paid now. Get off your silly high horse
I don’t mind the speculation in general if it’s level headed. I’m just not sure you can disagree amicably which is why I stopped engaging you.
Using one game as evidence without considering the multitude of variables is where I think you’re mistaken. I think you’re wrong about who will transfer. No big deal. You think I’m wrong too. Good on you.
Hmm
I don’t know where I wasn’t amicable until the previous poster made it a moral argument? The only person I used one game as an example was Montgomery who didn’t get second team snaps this game and I listed him as probable and conceded it was just speculation/gut feeling on my part. Everyone else I used the entire season up to this point. So I’m not sure where you are getting the point of “using one game” from I just think you clearly had nothing you could refute after I showed how ignorant you were when you claimed CSH was in line to start next year.
It’s fine though. We can agree to disagree since you obviously don’t follow OSU football closely enough to know what you are talking about.
Thanks for proving my point.
Hmm
Exactly. Have no substance to your argument to refute me so you have to resort to crying and complaining. Thank you for making my point of showing you have nothing to add.
77 at RG looked nasty. You can’t teach a guy to be THAT big and still be agile and athletic. Give him the reps and next year he’s All American.
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We know we have the best RB duo in the country with Henderson and Judkins.
Do we also have the best safety tandem with Downs and Ransom?
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