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So should Tress have been fired based on your standards
You may not be old enough to remember people actively calling for Tress to either fire his entire staff or be fired himself.
He beat top 5 ND in 2022.
My mistake, he hasn't won one in ALMOST 3 years.
Literally everyone who follows professional football remembers the Bills from those years.
Ahh - so our goal is to be somewhat remembered -as the team that could never put it all together and win?
I would prefer we lose to no one. I accept reality that we will lose to some. Losing to Mizzou last year, Oregon a few years ago, a generic Big Ten road loss to a good team - I can accept those happening every other year if we are winning most of those games - which is the case. The problem is that is BASE LINE for Ohio State. We are not M*chigan State or Iowa, that is the bare minimum expectation for those. So you don't get credit for winning them.
Going deeper - I can accept top 5 losses, playoff losses, and even some losses to the skunks. You don't have to win everything all the time. But you do have to win those games SOMETIMES - and it's been 3 years since he's won any of them, and his record overall is bad. No one remembers the early 90's Bills that won a mountain of football games and went to 4 super bowls - because they never won any of the super bowls.
I think some discount wins against top 15-25 teams because those aren't the games that win championships. If we occasionally lost one of those games but had, say, a .500 or better record against top 5 teams (or playoff games), I would gladly trade that.
Its that exactly. I EXPECT him to lose the occasional game (every other year-ish) to a #9 Mizzou, a #12 Oregon, or a #15 Penn St/Whisky/Iowa on the road. As long as he's winning 90% of those games, which he is, then he is meeting the benchmark. You're the head coach of one of the 3-4 best programs in the sport with all the resources and prestige and recruiting classes that come by simply having the name - that's part of the cover to get in.
But the expectations don't stop there.
This is Ohio State.
There are three types of games that matter here: Top 5 match ups, playoff games, and THE Game.
Day is 3/7 in those games, and hasn't won any of them in 3 years.
I don't give a crap that we beat a bunch of Big Ten teams ranked between 15-25. I don't care that we won a Rose Bowl vs a meh Utah team. I could care less that we beat an over-inflated #9 Indian in the covid year.
He needs to deliver against his peers and on our actual goals - or he needs to go. Too tough? Go coach Wisconsin or Iowa. We're The Ohio Fucking State. You don't have to win it every year, but you damn sure have to win something every few years. Do we want to be Penn State with James Franklin - always ALMOST there?
He absolutely CAN. Despite the grief people are giving the various parts of the team, this is easily one of the top 3-4 teams in the country (arguably best even after the loss), and they absolutely can win a championship.
IMO the only question is will they choke in the clutch moments. On Saturday Howard choked, IMO, on the last drive. Day choked in particular with clock management on the last drive. Burke had a rough game, and there were a few other one off screw ups. When you're up against another juggernaut - those little things make the difference.
I gotta tell you - I have watched a lot of their videos and it felt a lot like SEC bias this time. Which is honestly surprising because I usually find them pretty fair. They're talking about "Iowa not being as good as they have been the last few years." On what planet? Iowa has like 21 starters back, I think all 11 on defense - and for the first time in a decade they have a DECENT offense with a coordinator who doesn't have their head firmly up their own ass. They probably win 9-10 games this year.
I am much more in agreement with their model (which had the score 27-10, Bucks) - I think Iowa was the best defense Ohio State will play in the regular season; and we could have put 49 on them if we'd wanted. Conversely we will be the best offense they play in the regular season - they had fits with an impressive Boise State run attack that had no passing to back it up - we are more impressive running and have the best receiving core in the nation with a good QB to match.
I don't think this is close. I'm thinking something like 38-45 for Ohio State to 17-28 for Oregon.
I'll stand by my idea as a business owner. You don't double...triple...quadruple...and whatever else after on something you don't know to be accurate.
He double, triple, and quadrupled down on University of Toronto to the Big Ten and Tate Martell beating out Justin Fields for QB.
The business model isn't give fans accurate information - it's give fans hyperbolic BS that they can't resist clicking, then set up the billing pattern to chart them 14x a year for a monthly service.
They're full of sh*t over at BS. Whenever they get something right it's happenstance.
Where were all these lawsuits decades ago? Why not then? Really seems like sour grapes for em...sorry...decades of players are not suing their school or the ncaa..etc...
O'Bannon sued in 2009. Supreme Court closed the door on the NCAA there in 2014 - but that case only applied to the games. But it opened the door for further lawsuits and state laws that got us here.
You are wrong Westy…
I've been wrong before and I'm sure I will be again - but can you elaborate where I'm wrong?
Like - I get that people have a lot of strong opinions about NIL and the effect on the sport (though I would submit we've been living in a dream world that CFB was anything but minor league NFL since the mid 90's - and this is just part of the inevitable march towards separation from the Universities in favor of being a true minor league)..... But the law seems pretty straight forward here.
If he can prove they are using his NIL now or sometime in the last 4 years - he is entitled to compensation. If their argument for not paying him is the contract he signed as a "student athlete" - then the clause that allows them to not pay him is undeniably in violation of the Sherman Antitrust law.
Why didn’t they? Surely there’s a lawyer or two from back then who wanted a piece of this grievous, outrageous, preposterous, nefarious action… insert Jackie Chiles here…. What’s the statute of limitations on this if it was antitrust, or whatever??!!
The first lawsuit that opened this up was filed in 2009 - Obannan v NCAA (this was based mostly on the NCAA games). The judge ruled the NCAA to be in violation in 2014 - which the NCAA appealed all the way to the Supreme Court before losing. States began passing laws affirming the right to NIL for players - which resulted in another, much broader, case that ran the court circuit in the late teens and got a Supreme Court ruling - affirming that the NCAA had been in violation of antitrust laws the entire time - in 2021.
Statute of limitations is 4 years - Pryor is suing for ONGOING use of his NIL though, not for his time as a student.
That's not how it works. If an Ohio State alum designs an innovative heart stent, the engineering faculty has every right to put that fact in a brochure. "So and so...Ohio State '97." Whe
That is entirely different than playing the Rose Bowl vs Oregon on BTN Classics and profiting off the commercials that run.
Laws can't be applied ex post facto,
It isn't being applied post-facto. Pryor's lawsuit is for the continued use of his NIL to this day - based entirely upon the contract he signed as a student.
Guys - I don't think this is hard math to understand. Take Pryor out of it - pretend it's generic football player for University X.
-Football player signed a contract that prevented them from profiting off their NIL and gave University X and the NCAA those rights. That contract was in violation of the law - but the courts had not made that determination at the time.
-Years later, after the statute of limitations, courts ruled that all such contracts are in violation of the law.
-University X and it's Big Ten partners continue to make money off of Football Player's NIL to this day (in this case the easy citation is replaying old games on TV) based on that contract.
-Football Player sues because University X and Big Ten are actively breaking the law using contract.
Doesn't matter what you think about Pryor, or NIL, or Ohio State, or whatever. The guy has a very easy leg to stand on here and if you don't think he's going to at least get a settlement out of it - you're crazy.
My guess is he's just one of the first - and this becomes a big class action suit where the Universities, conferences, and ncaa - open the wallet up to some extent.
Surely you aren't equating guys not getting money for NIL when they knew the rules to people who died from exposure to asbestos
No one is equating the severity of the two cases. Obviously mesothelioma and it's horrors are a far worse situation - deserving of far more compensation.
But from a legal stand point - it's a similar situation. Just with less severe consequences and less substantial dollar amounts.
It goes against my grain, because you're wanting to take today's laws and retroactively apply them.
Thats the thing though - this isn't a NEW law. It's existing law. It WAS law at the time - just no one had challenged it and ruled on it as such.
I would almost bet there is a clause in the scholarship agreement
Any such clause would be in violation of the law - and if anything would make Pryor's case stronger as it's written into the document.
I used to love that damn song too. They really ruined it for me.
Take this fwiw - I am betting exactly 60.0% against the spread so far this year but...
I think the Skunks are gonna beat Washington by 10+
Oregon is going to beat the Skunks by 14-24
M*chigan will lose to Oregon, Ohio State, and one other team to be selected at random.
Good time to take advantage of Fresno +3.5 @ UNLV this week... lol
